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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/lena-dunham-chubby-teenager-cake_n_2434138.html?utm_hp_ref=celebrity

"I ate cake for breakfast on the day of the Emmys, I ate cake for dinner, my workout didn’t require Spanx, and I still feel like I looked better than people expected me to. It was amazing. I could feel the envy of every woman in the Sunset Tower.”

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I know it may seem like I'm asking for too much, but I kinda hoped her fashion choices would be better by now. I'd like to see her in a little black dress or a catsuit, but I guess no one in fashion wants to lend her some cutting edge trendy attire unless she's bone thin since most people in fashion are fucking assholes...

She could at least do her hair a little better.

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ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it. It helps to explain why us fellas always seem to think that what we feel at any given moment about any given subject is totally legit, and it doesn't help that the internet makes it super easy to broadcast those opinions to the world. Let me make the case for why this might not always be the best idea ever:

1) Curvage (and the fat community in general) is somewhat unique in the internet pornography world (and let's not kid ourselves into thinking that wank pictures do not account for a substantial percentage of why guys log in, or at the very least played a part in our discovering the community) in that the relationship between the producers and consumers of content is much closer than in other communities. Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do. People start legit relationships from sites like these. (I'm in one! /humblebrag) Even women who are for-pay content providers are mainly homegrown from these very board and interact with the members on a regular and genuine basis. This is a super-good thing, because it's a hugely important part of why women feel safe and comfortable contributing to the community; we're largely nice and pleasant, and part of that is reflected in the fact that we are at least not so obnoxious we've driven anything without a penis away from this corner of the internet. Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.

2) Negative comments have a chilling effect. Two women posted in this thread, as best as I can tell. Both of them, story author Cristina Prince and Curvage-only photo subject Pockets, are significant generators of precisely the type of content most of us like to consume. Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?

3) No one cares. NO ONE CARES. I cannot harp on this enough, because not only does no one care if you don't like Lena Dunham, no one cares if you like Lena Dunham, too. A moment of total honesty, here: the reason I opened this thread was because I saw an ad for the new season of Girls and I didn't remember her looking as chubby and wanted to see if there were any other pictures up and Curvage is usually good as an aggregator of stuff like that. I certainly didn't click the link thinking to myself, "Awww yeah, time for a few pictures of Lena Dunham and some really clever zingers and blunt, misogynistic dismissals from anonymous internet nobodies." NO ONE is hoping to see your post, and NOTHING will happen as a result of you posting it. Lena Dunham will not see it and rush off for a makeover after a tearful catharsis, Christina Hendricks will not see it and suddenly be inspired to eat cake naked and film it for you, and a hotshot children's publishing executive will not see it and offer you a deal for your witty new satirical take on Humpty Dumpty.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave. They'll either drift away slowly or vanish abruptly or maybe give us a final goodbye, but probably not, because the drone of "she's ugly" or "she's shallow" is already so very tiring to put up with.

So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

TL:DR - STOP POSTING NEGATIVE SHIT. BE NICE. IT'LL PAY OFF.

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ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it. It helps to explain why us fellas always seem to think that what we feel at any given moment about any given subject is totally legit, and it doesn't help that the internet makes it super easy to broadcast those opinions to the world. Let me make the case for why this might not always be the best idea ever:

1) Curvage (and the fat community in general) is somewhat unique in the internet pornography world (and let's not kid ourselves into thinking that wank pictures do not account for a substantial percentage of why guys log in, or at the very least played a part in our discovering the community) in that the relationship between the producers and consumers of content is much closer than in other communities. Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do. People start legit relationships from sites like these. (I'm in one! /humblebrag) Even women who are for-pay content providers are mainly homegrown from these very board and interact with the members on a regular and genuine basis. This is a super-good thing, because it's a hugely important part of why women feel safe and comfortable contributing to the community; we're largely nice and pleasant, and part of that is reflected in the fact that we are at least not so obnoxious we've driven anything without a penis away from this corner of the internet. Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.

2) Negative comments have a chilling effect. Two women posted in this thread, as best as I can tell. Both of them, story author Cristina Prince and Curvage-only photo subject Pockets, are significant generators of precisely the type of content most of us like to consume. Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?

3) No one cares. NO ONE CARES. I cannot harp on this enough, because not only does no one care if you don't like Lena Dunham, no one cares if you like Lena Dunham, too. A moment of total honesty, here: the reason I opened this thread was because I saw an ad for the new season of Girls and I didn't remember her looking as chubby and wanted to see if there were any other pictures up and Curvage is usually good as an aggregator of stuff like that. I certainly didn't click the link thinking to myself, "Awww yeah, time for a few pictures of Lena Dunham and some really clever zingers and blunt, misogynistic dismissals from anonymous internet nobodies." NO ONE is hoping to see your post, and NOTHING will happen as a result of you posting it. Lena Dunham will not see it and rush off for a makeover after a tearful catharsis, Christina Hendricks will not see it and suddenly be inspired to eat cake naked and film it for you, and a hotshot children's publishing executive will not see it and offer you a deal for your witty new satirical take on Humpty Dumpty.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave. They'll either drift away slowly or vanish abruptly or maybe give us a final goodbye, but probably not, because the drone of "she's ugly" or "she's shallow" is already so very tiring to put up with.

So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

TL:DR - STOP POSTING NEGATIVE SHIT. BE NICE. IT'LL PAY OFF.

Cool story.

In all seriousness, you bring up some valid points; however, this is an internet discussion board. It's not a discussion if everyone has the same opinions. Obviously, I'm using discussion in the loosest of definitions here, but my point still stands.

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Yep, read all of this, then checked...still ugly.

ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it. It helps to explain why us fellas always seem to think that what we feel at any given moment about any given subject is totally legit, and it doesn't help that the internet makes it super easy to broadcast those opinions to the world. Let me make the case for why this might not always be the best idea ever:

1) Curvage (and the fat community in general) is somewhat unique in the internet pornography world (and let's not kid ourselves into thinking that wank pictures do not account for a substantial percentage of why guys log in, or at the very least played a part in our discovering the community) in that the relationship between the producers and consumers of content is much closer than in other communities. Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do. People start legit relationships from sites like these. (I'm in one! /humblebrag) Even women who are for-pay content providers are mainly homegrown from these very board and interact with the members on a regular and genuine basis. This is a super-good thing, because it's a hugely important part of why women feel safe and comfortable contributing to the community; we're largely nice and pleasant, and part of that is reflected in the fact that we are at least not so obnoxious we've driven anything without a penis away from this corner of the internet. Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.

2) Negative comments have a chilling effect. Two women posted in this thread, as best as I can tell. Both of them, story author Cristina Prince and Curvage-only photo subject Pockets, are significant generators of precisely the type of content most of us like to consume. Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?

3) No one cares. NO ONE CARES. I cannot harp on this enough, because not only does no one care if you don't like Lena Dunham, no one cares if you like Lena Dunham, too. A moment of total honesty, here: the reason I opened this thread was because I saw an ad for the new season of Girls and I didn't remember her looking as chubby and wanted to see if there were any other pictures up and Curvage is usually good as an aggregator of stuff like that. I certainly didn't click the link thinking to myself, "Awww yeah, time for a few pictures of Lena Dunham and some really clever zingers and blunt, misogynistic dismissals from anonymous internet nobodies." NO ONE is hoping to see your post, and NOTHING will happen as a result of you posting it. Lena Dunham will not see it and rush off for a makeover after a tearful catharsis, Christina Hendricks will not see it and suddenly be inspired to eat cake naked and film it for you, and a hotshot children's publishing executive will not see it and offer you a deal for your witty new satirical take on Humpty Dumpty.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave. They'll either drift away slowly or vanish abruptly or maybe give us a final goodbye, but probably not, because the drone of "she's ugly" or "she's shallow" is already so very tiring to put up with.

So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

TL:DR - STOP POSTING NEGATIVE SHIT. BE NICE. IT'LL PAY OFF.

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ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

Well said, all of it. Unfortunately we need to post this in damn near every thread on this board, or at least make a sticky out of it.

By any chance, have you visited our lovely attraction, the Tattoo Rant thread? That hasn't been stirred up in a while, we could use your talents there.

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Whatever else one wants to say, I think she's really quite attractive.  I haven't seen anything she's in, and not having HBO I'm unlikely to anytime soon, but based on a couple of youtube interviews she seems like a fairly intelligent and straightforward person. 

I'm also glad to see another chubby celebrity out there (and she's definitely chubby, not full-fledged fat), especially one that's gained a bit of a hip reputation.  Perhaps it's one more step towards a more varied representation of women's bodies by society. 

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ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it. It helps to explain why us fellas always seem to think that what we feel at any given moment about any given subject is totally legit, and it doesn't help that the internet makes it super easy to broadcast those opinions to the world. Let me make the case for why this might not always be the best idea ever:

1) Curvage (and the fat community in general) is somewhat unique in the internet pornography world (and let's not kid ourselves into thinking that wank pictures do not account for a substantial percentage of why guys log in, or at the very least played a part in our discovering the community) in that the relationship between the producers and consumers of content is much closer than in other communities. Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do. People start legit relationships from sites like these. (I'm in one! /humblebrag) Even women who are for-pay content providers are mainly homegrown from these very board and interact with the members on a regular and genuine basis. This is a super-good thing, because it's a hugely important part of why women feel safe and comfortable contributing to the community; we're largely nice and pleasant, and part of that is reflected in the fact that we are at least not so obnoxious we've driven anything without a penis away from this corner of the internet. Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.

2) Negative comments have a chilling effect. Two women posted in this thread, as best as I can tell. Both of them, story author Cristina Prince and Curvage-only photo subject Pockets, are significant generators of precisely the type of content most of us like to consume. Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?

3) No one cares. NO ONE CARES. I cannot harp on this enough, because not only does no one care if you don't like Lena Dunham, no one cares if you like Lena Dunham, too. A moment of total honesty, here: the reason I opened this thread was because I saw an ad for the new season of Girls and I didn't remember her looking as chubby and wanted to see if there were any other pictures up and Curvage is usually good as an aggregator of stuff like that. I certainly didn't click the link thinking to myself, "Awww yeah, time for a few pictures of Lena Dunham and some really clever zingers and blunt, misogynistic dismissals from anonymous internet nobodies." NO ONE is hoping to see your post, and NOTHING will happen as a result of you posting it. Lena Dunham will not see it and rush off for a makeover after a tearful catharsis, Christina Hendricks will not see it and suddenly be inspired to eat cake naked and film it for you, and a hotshot children's publishing executive will not see it and offer you a deal for your witty new satirical take on Humpty Dumpty.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave. They'll either drift away slowly or vanish abruptly or maybe give us a final goodbye, but probably not, because the drone of "she's ugly" or "she's shallow" is already so very tiring to put up with.

So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

TL:DR - STOP POSTING NEGATIVE SHIT. BE NICE. IT'LL PAY OFF.

She is a celebrity? Is she in movies, tv, or a singer? Why should we care? Since when are we not allowed to post that we do not agree with someone else's opinion on curvage? Have you actually read other posts?

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that woman's pictures are grade-A boner killers. she is so unattractive. and so untalented. she needs to shut the fuck up. she's so ugly on the inside and out and is only being talked about because mommy and daddy were famous.

the fact is that there are other women far more talented than she is who get igored. and the first idiot to say "privilege" needs to go back to the shitty state school they learned their PC bullshit from and STFU.

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ATTN: Dudes in this thread. No one cares if you don't like Lena Dunham.

No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it. It helps to explain why us fellas always seem to think that what we feel at any given moment about any given subject is totally legit, and it doesn't help that the internet makes it super easy to broadcast those opinions to the world. Let me make the case for why this might not always be the best idea ever:

1) Curvage (and the fat community in general) is somewhat unique in the internet pornography world (and let's not kid ourselves into thinking that wank pictures do not account for a substantial percentage of why guys log in, or at the very least played a part in our discovering the community) in that the relationship between the producers and consumers of content is much closer than in other communities. Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do. People start legit relationships from sites like these. (I'm in one! /humblebrag) Even women who are for-pay content providers are mainly homegrown from these very board and interact with the members on a regular and genuine basis. This is a super-good thing, because it's a hugely important part of why women feel safe and comfortable contributing to the community; we're largely nice and pleasant, and part of that is reflected in the fact that we are at least not so obnoxious we've driven anything without a penis away from this corner of the internet. Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.

2) Negative comments have a chilling effect. Two women posted in this thread, as best as I can tell. Both of them, story author Cristina Prince and Curvage-only photo subject Pockets, are significant generators of precisely the type of content most of us like to consume. Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?

3) No one cares. NO ONE CARES. I cannot harp on this enough, because not only does no one care if you don't like Lena Dunham, no one cares if you like Lena Dunham, too. A moment of total honesty, here: the reason I opened this thread was because I saw an ad for the new season of Girls and I didn't remember her looking as chubby and wanted to see if there were any other pictures up and Curvage is usually good as an aggregator of stuff like that. I certainly didn't click the link thinking to myself, "Awww yeah, time for a few pictures of Lena Dunham and some really clever zingers and blunt, misogynistic dismissals from anonymous internet nobodies." NO ONE is hoping to see your post, and NOTHING will happen as a result of you posting it. Lena Dunham will not see it and rush off for a makeover after a tearful catharsis, Christina Hendricks will not see it and suddenly be inspired to eat cake naked and film it for you, and a hotshot children's publishing executive will not see it and offer you a deal for your witty new satirical take on Humpty Dumpty.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave. They'll either drift away slowly or vanish abruptly or maybe give us a final goodbye, but probably not, because the drone of "she's ugly" or "she's shallow" is already so very tiring to put up with.

So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

TL:DR - STOP POSTING NEGATIVE SHIT. BE NICE. IT'LL PAY OFF.

Go fuck yourself  :thumbsup:

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No cares if you feel she'll "haunt your dreams," or if you think she's "an attention whore with low self-esteem" or if you are frustrated because she "could at least do her hair a little better" or if looks like "frumpty dumpty" to you.

Clearly, you do.

The reason you think anyone cares is called privilege, and most dudes, myself included, are born with a ton of it.

I'm pretty sure the theory of male privilege says nothing about expressing conflicting opinions, which is a common way to use a forum.

Women who graciously post photos of themselves in various states of undress for our amusement also interact with us and browse the same threads we do.
lol, posting pictures is hardly gracious. To quote an opportunist named xSixelanomlasX who is honest about motivations for posting "made $300 this week just for being fat lol.. no nudity or sex included. Still planning in losing weight, but using it to my advantage first.". You can change that to "got tons of compliments I would never get in real life for being fat" or "got a message from a hot guy for being fat". It's not a one way transaction where only the people masturbating to the pictures benefit.

Basically, this: the women we rely on for generation of significant content frequent these boards.
...and the few that post here rely on the loads of attention and ego boosting they get for posting on this site. Curvage doesn't compare to FF when it comes to that kind of content. As FF actually enforces that all comments be "compliments or thanks" only. This site used to be called fat celebs and finding pictures of fat girls from webshots was the main draw, never user based attention whores.

story author Cristina Prince

Why did you leave the fetish part out?

Curvage-only photo subject Pockets

She posts on FF and probably tumblr, lol.

Pockets's expression of admiration for Lena Dunham was directly contradictory to most of the ones expressed in the thread and listed above, while Cristina's was even more direct, attempting to hush negative commenters. Taken as a whole, it's very rare to see women on the forum express negative opinions about other women, especially other women they don't have personal experience with. I'm positive there are exceptions, but see what I'm getting at, here?
If they can't handle opinions they can go to tumblr or a moderated blog. There will be no shortage of fat girls seeking attention and money to replace them. There is also no shortage of fat fetish story writers, as those can be written by men as well.

No one cares. NO ONE CARES.
They are celebrities and probably wouldn't end up on this board to even see it. But if they could, they probably would. Celebrities are still humans and can get emotionally affected by negative or positive opinions about them.

misogynistic dismissals
You don't know what that word really means. I'm not talking about the bullshit radical feminist definition where everything is misogyny.

The only thing that will happen, (and it has already happened, with dozens of women who posted pictures and videos and stories and communicated with us and made Curvage that much more pleasant for all involved) is that women on these boards will leave.
So please, please, pleeeeeeeease, dudes of Curvage, think a tiny bit before posting, and think of how your post would land if it was being said to you about a woman in your life who you cared about. I'm not asking anyone to not have their feelings, but if we continue to exercise our privilege and express them at the drop of a hat, every time, the special and importantly different community vibe that persists in this community will eventually become the echo chamber of wangs that so many other online porn communities are, with a bunch of dudes rabidly foaming, and a few women interacting with them out of economic realities instead of shared interests.

This implies that you subscribe to the patriarchy theory, that everything is done for the benefit of men over women, and that women are perpetually victims. You aren't seeing that women do this for their own benefit as well, as such...there will never be a shortage of them. There are plenty of fat women in western countries, when they realize they will get attention and whatever else they will start posting here or somewhere else. The negative comments have existed forever and doesn't affect that. Economic realities? LOL, ripping off lonely men isn't admirable. Look at the shit they put on their amazon wishlist accounts, it's all vanity products, not essentials. Good way to end a shitty essay with a laugh.

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lol, I will never understand the polarization surrounding Girls and Lena.  I've seen a few episodes, it's not a bad show but if I never see another episode I won't feel like I'm missing out.  Like a lot of the recent HBO originals, actually.  Dunham is a decent looking girl with a nice chubby body and some stupid tattoos.

I'm more sympathetic to those defending her, just because there are still dudes out there who think any woman they find unattractive should shut the fuck up.

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I'm more sympathetic to those defending her, just because there are still dudes out there who think any woman they find unattractive should shut the fuck up.

That's what a lot of the hate for her out on the web (not just here) comes down to. If you don't think she's as hot ad other people are saying that's fine, but if you think she ought to shut her mouth and get off of television because she doesn't make your dick hard, Dude, That's Misogynist!™

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