bluetech

It’s sad because Dall-E 3 does such a good job out of the box when it lets you. But the censor has gotten so bad that it is pushing me to learn the intricacies and endless tweaking required to get good results out of Stable Diffusion.

It seems like the free models use older versions of Stable Diffusion, so faces and bodies are good, but hands and limbs tend to get mangled.

So given everything you’ve said about Dall-E’s lewdness censor and skin real estate, I am very curious what prompt you used to get this one:

Which app are you using?

I am curious how you are getting around the prompt censoring. I have found Dall-E 3 to be exceedingly fat phobic. A prompt specifying a woman with a slender build generates with no trouble, but the exact same prompt but using any keyword to suggest the subject is anything but skinny is either ignored and a skinny woman is generated anyway, or the resulting image triggers the censor with a warning about the content policy. So far I have only been able to “trick” Dall-E 3 into generating fat people by implying in the prompt that the subject is not human, e.g. in a fantasy setting she is a fairy, or in a sci fi setting she is an alien who happens to have very human like features. In other words, according to Dall-E 3, humans are skinny and fat people are not human, which is pretty sick when you think about it.

If they are eating that much of their own free will because they enjoy it, what business is it of yours? If you don't like it, just move along. Generally, models who present themselves as feedees on curvage do so because they are in to it, even if they are of a size larger than your personal preference.

The calculation of BMI itself is just a number based on your height and weight. It is the categorization of different BMI ranges by doctors based on an assumed correlation to health that is problematic. For example, I have a BMI of about 52. This is just a number, just like my weight of around 350 is just a number. But the value of BMI is that somebody shorter than me or taller than me who also had a BMI of 52 would have a similar level of fatness (with the caveat of them not being a body builder with significantly higher than average musculature). That doctors would place my BMI of 52 into the "morbidly obese" bucket is beside the point.

@Wishuwerebigger By harder, I mean in store. I shop on kingSize as well. The in store experience may be inconsistent for women, but is nonexistent for men. In this post-covid world where we do much of our general shopping online anyway, it has become less of a problem than it seemed several years ago.

This same topic always seems to pop up every couple of years. In the past I have offered these categorizations. By BMI: The whole point of BMI is to normalize weight over different heights. Two people with the same approximate build but different heights will have the same BMI. BMI doesn't account for muscle vs fat, and fat itself isn't the best indicator of health, which is why BMI has a bad reputation due to doctors using it as a proxy for health. But most people are not athletes or body builders, so the difference in muscle mass and its effect on BMI is negligible for average people. So BMI is a pretty good way to quantify fatness. As far as categories, I like the breakdown of 30+ is BBW/BHM, 60+ is SSBBW/SSBHM, 90+ is USSBBW/USSBHM. By clothing ranges as suggested by Doe_Nylie above: This is a lot more subjective, but reflects the reality of life as a (SS)BBW. If you can find clothes in generic clothing stores but have to go to the plus size section: BBW. If you have to buy your clothes online because even Torrid and Lane Bryant don't actually have your size in store: SSBBW. If it's hard to find stuff that fits even in online shops, USSBBW. This breakdown doesn't work as well for men, though, because as much as clothes shopping sucks for fat women, it sucks even more for fat men. Most department stores that have a plus size section for women have only a couple of shelves of Big and Tall clothes for men if they even have B&T section. I had to switch to online shopping for clothes many pounds ago, and I wouldn't consider myself quite SSBHM yet. (5'9", 350 lbs)

I have always been into mutual gaining, but in my experience that is relatively rare as most FAs seem to prefer to remain thin/fit for one reason or another.

Sure, I oversimplified a little bit. Yes, protein technically contains calories, and the body is capable of transforming protein into the energy metabolic pathways via catabolism and deamination. But that is still less efficient than metabolism of carbs and fats. The point still stands that protein powders are intended for body builders who need the extra protein for gaining muscle mass (whether most people who buy such powders use them correctly is besides the point), and if your goal is gaining fat there are much more efficient ways than protein powder, both nutritionally and financially. I still think that a lot of feeders get confused when they see protein powders marketed for 'weight gain', and assume that the protein makes them more effective for fat gain than a plain milkshake.

Another way to stay motivated besides counting calories which can get tedious, is to just double what she is used to habitually eating. Always go for seconds. If you normally take one scoop of mashed potatoes at dinner, take two. If you normally grab one cookie for desert, grab two.

I think the community as a whole is a bit confused by the existence of weight gain powders. There are two types of weight gain. Muscle gain, and fat gain. All of the rest of the bits that make up the body are largely the same weight from person to person of a given height. Muscle gain requires eating a large amount of protein. Fat gain requires eating a large amount of carbs and fats. Weight gain powders primarily contain protein, as they are marketed towards body builders, who somewhat confusingly to feeders/feedees refer to their muscle gain simply as weight gain. That being said, if your feedee is planning on gaining a very large amount of fat, it wouldn't hurt to also plan on gaining some muscle mass as well to maintain mobility and general health. Unfortunately, just adding protein to the diet won't result in added muscle gain like adding carbs and fats will result in added fat gain. You also have to work out in addition to eating more protein to build muscle. And adding protein really won't result in fat gain at all. You can get fat from eating large amounts of some powders like Serious Mass gainer, but that is because it is a blend of protein and carbs and the carbs will go towards fat gain. But if it is fat you are after, there are cheaper and easier ways of getting those carbs like the ice cream + heavy cream shake suggested above.

I think exercise is the best way to control visceral vs. subcutaneous fat as visceral fat tends to get burned first. But where the subcutaneous fat actually ends up is 100% genetic.

I think point 4 still stands with the stress/emotional eaters. In that case, the eating behavior is pretty solidly in the realm of mental health disorder. Mental health is health, and making a moral issue out of health is still very counterproductive. Fat shaming someone who is fat because of a mental health disorder is guaranteed to only make things worse for that person.