Ayumi_Chan Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I just wanna throw this out there, but if you or anyone you know was affected by the shooting in Aurora, CO, My thoughts are with you. Kind of shoddy that this sort of thing had to happen. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators gta Posted July 21, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2012 : Oh yes, I'm so sure... I personally was trying to be genuine, but I get the feeling my comment just came along for the ride in the quote. I just wanna throw this out there, but if you or anyone you know was affected by the shooting in Aurora, CO, My thoughts are with you. Kind of shoddy that this sort of thing had to happen. =/ Yeah, that whole situations is/was seriously messed up. I know personally how that can devastate a community, my heart goes out to the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi_Chan Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 : Oh yes, I'm so sure... I personally was trying to be genuine, but I get the feeling my comment just came along for the ride in the quote. I just wanna throw this out there, but if you or anyone you know was affected by the shooting in Aurora, CO, My thoughts are with you. Kind of shoddy that this sort of thing had to happen. =/ Yeah, that whole situations is/was seriously messed up. I know personally how that can devastate a community, my heart goes out to the victims. I know that your comment was genuine GTA, I mean the comment moreso for the person who quoted your comment. And as far as the shooting thing goes, in Omaha, NE where I grew up, a shooting happened at the Von Maur store around Christmas time a few years ago and the shooting that happened at the Millard South High School a year and a half ago was actually my old high school. So I have definite understanding as to how it can affect a community as well. And it's just really tragic when things like this happen. But I think that although I understand why you'd take your baby to a movie, it enrages me that the 3 month old was even there to begin with. ((This will probably wind up being a complete sidebar conversation that could better be suited in General Discussion lol)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators gta Posted July 21, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2012 Mod note: This was split from Ayumi's General Pictures thread. Here are some links regarding the incident: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18935153 http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/07/us/aurora.shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators gta Posted July 21, 2012 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2012 : Oh yes, I'm so sure... I personally was trying to be genuine, but I get the feeling my comment just came along for the ride in the quote. I just wanna throw this out there, but if you or anyone you know was affected by the shooting in Aurora, CO, My thoughts are with you. Kind of shoddy that this sort of thing had to happen. =/ Yeah, that whole situations is/was seriously messed up. I know personally how that can devastate a community, my heart goes out to the victims. I know that your comment was genuine GTA, I mean the comment moreso for the person who quoted your comment. And as far as the shooting thing goes, in Omaha, NE where I grew up, a shooting happened at the Von Maur store around Christmas time a few years ago and the shooting that happened at the Millard South High School a year and a half ago was actually my old high school. So I have definite understanding as to how it can affect a community as well. And it's just really tragic when things like this happen. But I think that although I understand why you'd take your baby to a movie, it enrages me that the 3 month old was even there to begin with. ((This will probably wind up being a complete sidebar conversation that could better be suited in General Discussion lol)) Yeah, I grew up in Chardon and went to the high school that was the location of the school shooting earlier this year. I am just giving context, not trying to change the topic. What disturbs me is what appears to be a lack of indication or warning or "cries for help" from the shooter in Aurora. All there is at this point is his recent purchases of the firearms and riot gear. It's unnerving when there's no warning and someone just seemingly snaps and harms others in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vennie Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So, when is the US going to ban firearms for the general public? I have noticed that countries where firearms are illegal have about 0-1% of the amount of shootings that happen in the US. What's the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFD Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think that is very self defeating to ban firearms. If someone wants to harm others, they will a.) find a way to procure firearms, or b.) find another means. Basically, Vennie, it's the "Want what you can't have" mentality. Notice how teen drinking is higher in the States than it is in Europe where teens can drink? It is devastating to see this happening. We have a few nutjobs in my Batallion I can see doing a stunt like this. All the more reason for me to commandeer a vessel and sail to Tortuga. : KFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Smithsonius Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yeah, the thing with attacks like this, not just mass killings but all kinds of incidents including terrorism as well, is that there are very few that can spotted prior to the actual act occurring. It's only afterwards when we have knowledge of the attacker(s) and we trawl through their background and whereabouts that we can find the clues and see the patterns in people's behaviour and actions. I find that a lot of people struggle with the idea that the government and law enforcement are actually unaware of most of these kinds of people, or that others couldn't have noticed this behaviour and acted before these tragedies happen. KFD hit the nail on the head with the firearms ban. If someone wants to harm others, they will find a way. My assumption with the US is that the relative free availability of firearms makes them the primary weapon of choice. I know when it comes to the UK there are one or two every now and then, Raoul Moat for example or Dunblane but I suspect the smaller population sample makes it seem less. I wouldn't be very surprised whether overall levels in Europe are not much different to levels in America. It a shame that they should happen at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vennie Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think that is very self defeating to ban firearms. If someone wants to harm others, they will a.) find a way to procure firearms, or b.) find another means. Basically, Vennie, it's the "Want what you can't have" mentality. Notice how teen drinking is higher in the States than it is in Europe where teens can drink? It is devastating to see this happening. We have a few nutjobs in my Batallion I can see doing a stunt like this. All the more reason for me to commandeer a vessel and sail to Tortuga. : KFD Yes, people wanting to harm other people will find a way, always. But do you have to make it so easy for them to be able to instantly act out on any thought they have? Fact remains that I have not seen the high number of shootings in countries where firearms are banned. Suppose I'm going nuts, and I want to shoot everyone at a mall. I'd need to get a gun first. Whoops, I'd have a big problem procuring one. Sure, in the end I might be able to get one, by which time I probably will have cooled off. Instead of being able to walk into any Walmart, in all my anger, get an M-16 with some clips, and start shooting everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotundAdmirer Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I don't think they've released the motive for the shootings, but I'm amazed that no one thought it was suspicious that this guy purchased 6,000 rounds of ammo online. Of course, that was done legally, but who would need that much ammunition? Also, I don't think police have managed to break into his apartment yet because the whole place is booby-trapped. Clearly, he knew what he was doing, but why would he throw away his chances at getting a Ph.D. in neuroscience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFD Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Instead of being able to walk into any Walmart, in all my anger, get an M-16 with some clips, and start shooting everyone. If only I could get an M16 at Wal-Mart... Anyway, I get what you are saying. What if there was someone else in the front row with a Baretta under their shirt. It might have had a different outcome. Did you guys see the video of the 71 year old man in a casino (?) I think that was able to take robbers down thanks to carrying a concealed weapon? KFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arns Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 What disturbs me is what appears to be a lack of indication or warning or "cries for help" from the shooter in Aurora. Spree killers are narcisstic jerks who blame everyone else for their failures. Why should they 'warn' anyone? Yes, people wanting to harm other people will find a way, always. Exhibit A: truck, a killer hit 30 people with it, 8 dead. There's always the option of taking a knife and going to a school. Kids don't run as fast and some people have done this. I don't think they've released the motive for the shootings, but I'm amazed that no one thought it was suspicious that this guy purchased 6,000 rounds of ammo online. Of course, that was done legally, but who would need that much ammunition? Umm.. sports shooters? You know, the people who, on weekends, go out and shoot at targets. A friend of mine has several shelves worth of ammo in his safe. Like with any other commodity, there's often a bulk discount. Why he bothered to buy 6.000... I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotundAdmirer Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Aside from how he has able to attain ammo and guns, this is also what I don't understand: Police said the suspect entered the theater through an exit door dressed in full ballistics gear: ballistics helmet, tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, throat protector, groin protector and black tactical gloves. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/20/14-dead-colorado-theater-shooting-dark-knight/ Aren't exit doors to movie theaters meant to be locked from the outside? Even if was able to prop it open earlier, wouldn't a theater attendant notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilan Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Finland is an interesting case in Europe. There have been a number of mass shootings here in recent years – the latest incident just a couple of months ago. Man detained after fatal shooting incident in Finland Updated: 12:14, Monday, 28 May 2012 Two people have been killed and several others have been injured in a shooting incident in Finland. An 18-year-old man wearing camouflage clothing was arrested after the shooting in Hyvinkää, a small town 56km north of the capital Helsinki. The motive for the shooting remains unclear. It followed a series of shooting sprees in Finland in recent years and came less than a year after anti-immigrant gunman Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 people in a rampage in neighbouring Norway. The suspect had no criminal background and police said he likely acted alone. Police could not comment on whether the gunman knew his victims. The victims were a man and a woman, aged 18. Seven others were wounded, including a policewoman who is in a critical condition. Regional police chief inspector Timo Leppälä said the shootings were first reported before 2am local time. The suspect fled but was detained a few hours later. Police said they found two rifles afterwards. Finland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world and a series of mass shootings prompted the government to toughen its gun laws last June. The suspect in this latest case did not have a licence, according to police. http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0526/man-detained-after-fatal-shooting-in-finland.html Finland mourns Hyvinkää shooting victims 30 May 2012 Firearms’ control and youth alienation are issues of concern after yet another mass killing. In the aftermath of the Hyvinkää murders, public discussion has resumed about why another tragic indiscriminate shooting has occurred in Finland, and how such mass killings could be prevented. The discussion revolves around the availability of firearms, the distress and alienation of young people and detrimental free time activities. In the early morning of Saturday 26 May an 18-year-old man shot nine young people indiscriminately in Hyvinkää, two of whom were killed and seven injured. Chairman of the Finnish Central Association for Mental Health Pekka Sauri points out that centralised storage of firearms would make acts such as that in Hyvinkää less likely to occur.“The best way by far to prevent these kinds of acts is to limit the availability of firearms and to supervise their storage,” Sauri says. He believes the Hyvinkää shooting proves that gun control laws are still far from adequate. Minister of the Interior Päivi Räsänen (Christian Democrats) says there were very few signs in advance that the Hyvinkää shooting would take place. This would have made it very difficult to prevent. Räsänen also said on the television programme A-Studio that the risk of these kinds of events could be reduced if the distress of young people could be relieved. Public health administration expert at the University of Tampere Matti Rimpelä, who was also interviewed on the programme, in turn predicted that acts like the Hyvinkää shooting will become more common because of the increase in numbers of alienated young men. Rimpelä says the problems of children and young people have not been dealt with sufficiently. Boys in particular suffer in Rimpelä’s view from a lack of “social aptitudes” such as interaction skills. Rimpelä says all the recent school shooting perpetrators have had in common their past problems with social interaction. http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/news/index.php/finland/finland-news/domestic/2413-finland-mourns-hyvinkaeae-shooting-victims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJones Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So, when is the US going to ban firearms for the general public? I have noticed that countries where firearms are illegal have about 0-1% of the amount of shootings that happen in the US. What's the deal? The US will ban firearms for the general public when the country elects an atheist for a president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFD Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The US will ban firearms for the general public when the country elects an atheist for a president. This country was founded by atheists. KFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJones Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The US will ban firearms for the general public when the country elects an atheist for a president. This country was founded by atheists. KFD I thought they were deists or something like that. Maybe I need to re-read my American History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arns Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Mostly deists, though IIRC, one agnostic was among them. Atheists are more hated than rapists or Muslims, or gays, so no chance of that happening. Just like no chance of US banning guns. Spree killings are just the odd atrocity. In any given year, you get maybe 50-60 dead from those. Black-on-black homicide is ~7500 a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duc de Blangis Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Some men just want to watch the world burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AbeVanHelsing Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Atheists are more hated than rapists or Muslims, or gays, so no chance of that happening. Absolute bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFD Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I thought they were deists or something like that. Maybe I need to re-read my American History. Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist, and I believe Ben Franklin was as well (but he could've been a deist). As far as Atheists being hated more than than any other group, I have never heard anything about Atheists bombing abortion clinics or running planes into buildings... KFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vennie Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I thought they were deists or something like that. Maybe I need to re-read my American History. Thomas Jefferson was an Atheist, and I believe Ben Franklin was as well (but he could've been a deist). As far as Atheists being hated more than than any other group, I have never heard anything about Atheists bombing abortion clinics or running planes into buildings... KFD I'm an atheist and I do so regularly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGinty Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (some of you know me as "McGinty", in the interest of full disclosure) I have absolutely no connection with the area, but of course I'm always depressed about any of these mass shootings, I can't believe how frequent they are here in the U.S. also - 1. The absurd gun culture in the U.S. and the power of the political gun lobby has to stop. Now. 2. I've been kind of annoyed at the media attention given to Jessica Ghawi - some 70+ people were shot, including many children, why is she so important? 3. Why do so many people bring infants & toddlers to these sort of loud events - at midnight?! I've seen babies & young kids at all kinds of inappropriate events, like concerts & places where there's lots of drinking (& other stuff) going on. I'll never understand it - it's like no one has any filters anymore. 4. Finally, I think we'll see the end of these sort of midnight movie premieres, it just doesn't make good sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefarno Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I know when it comes to the UK there are one or two every now and then, Raoul Moat for example or Dunblane but I suspect the smaller population sample makes it seem less. I wouldn't be very surprised whether overall levels in Europe are not much different to levels in America. That's really not true. Firearm-related death rate, per 100,000 people, per year: USA: 10.27 England/Wales: 0.46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickgm Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So, when is the US going to ban firearms for the general public? I have noticed that countries where firearms are illegal have about 0-1% of the amount of shootings that happen in the US. What's the deal? On the contrary, it should be illegal to not carry a firearm. Pick any incident like this and imagine the end result if all the "normal" people were armed. The killer(s) would have been put down before having a chance to shoot dozens of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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