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Yesterday, I felt nagged by an increasing urge to re-subscribe into a rather popular, mainstream size-friendly wannabe reddit group page I just decided to quit a while ago.

 

By "wannabe", I mean it: a vocal majority of the membership resumes itself into nothing but women still stuck into the self-flagellating phase of their body complex issue. I publish a first discussion topic: "P.A.W.G. is the most preposterous colloquial coining ever made: its outmoded racialist overtones obvious" or something.

Nonetheless unsatisfied, I'd immediatly spiced up my initial intent: I shared the post into a kinky F.A. reddit page. Afterward, I posted a second topic on the mainstream group page thay has been shared too on the kink page: "When "Steatopygia" among black women turns into a way too bottom-heavy "Advanced Staging Lipoedema" , "P.A.W.G.s" or "ride breeches/pelvicellulite/Steatomery" for others-- or why Western contemporary medias & academics shall stop giving to Steatopygia any racial overtone" .

 

Success unblocked.

The kink page - assumedly frequented by the same type of obnoxious, antisocial pig-slurring neckbeards who likes bleating about the heterogenous nature of my discussion topic publishing on F.A. forums - votes down my two posts while some random member with a funny-sounding pseudo popped on my alert feed with a verbally charged rant preceded by the all-American "st**" , pompously accusing me to "polluate" the "last shelter against politics" and "race politics" or some redundantly debilitating bs on this vein that kay have been as well resumed ny a good ol' fashioned "s%$t up n@&ger/libtard/whatever" (which still happens way much than some of you readers may assume) . Y'all shall tip me off the day that cellulite skin, large hips, ballooning gluteus maximas and their colourblind nature are going to be on the news feed on the White House or the Canadian Parliament, (giggles) . 🙄😏 Might still be way much instructive than four years worth of psychotically violent tweeted rants and downward loophole into diplomatic disgrace, though...

 

Back to the main focus, first few hours later and an angry female member is already stepping forward for a fight, half-threateningly asking me to get out with my so-called "kink" stuff and "post history" antics. A few rapid clicks later, she has gone M.I.A. after I scolded her silly MacCarthism and reminded her that a significant brunt of the page group content deal with sexuality and women posing suggestively, so getting angry about a previous post made about the commonality of the so-called Fat Fetishism in both Plus Size and non-heavier sexuality (and outside of its oft mob-minded fetish cart-- ahem I mean F.A. online community) is not the end of the world. Then, the next day later, I received from a female member of the mainstream page this reply about the topic on P.A.W.G.s :

 

SOMEBODY: "The fact is, historically rounded & bigger asses was only found on African women. If white women was out here built like women from the country of Africa, Sara Baartmen wouldn't have been so popular. The fact is, in the US, big booties, thick hips & thighs have been synonymous with black women. White women spend a fortune to have abody that African women were born with. So to see a white women built like a black women, she is a PAWG period."

 

Loud internal facepalm. More dense than that and I die. She did the one thing every single ill-assumed racist web-goer did, so to speak spewing out loud her implicit bias and taking the bait that would lead to racist folks' most-feared Boogeyman... not John Wick, of course... just an epically sound spanking to shatter anyone's Becky-made bubbles and some therapeuthic, paradox-shifting cognitive growth. 😏😁 

 

ME: "Your statement is plain speculative and wrong because historically speaking, rounded & bigger asses has been reported and recorded multiple times all over South Asia, Western Asia, ancient Greece, the Italic Etruscan civilization and the Iberic Peninsula for a major part of Antiquity. The Myceaneans, Minoans, Hellenes, Italians, Levantines, Arabians, Mesopotamians, Iberians and even some Gallic tribes in Northwest Europe left various artifacts showing women with a moderatly to exceedingly plump, rounded buttocks and wide hips coupled by signs of pronounced Steatometry (or ride breeches, if you prefer) and archeological evidence reports since early 20th centuury that the female population of protohistorical hunter-gathering and latter Neolithic groups all across the British, Western, Southwestern, Southern and Central Europe sported frequently such traits from the Lower Paleolithic till afar as the Bronze Age.

Biblical texts reports that ancient Israelite women were disencouraged by religious authorities from being sexually promiscuous prior marriage or to cuckhold their husbands under the threat from being immediatly smitten by their God with a curse that physically alters their bottom half bodies and resembles like a variation of bug-infested Cellulitis coupled by Steatopygia, which indicates that the latter one was an existing condition among the Hebrews, all theologically associated with divine punishment and infidelity in wedlock.

Islamic hadiths and oral legends hints that the Arabian religious leader & prophet Muhammad's daughter, Fatima, sported during her premature later years an immense derriere as she has dived upward and heavier through the whole weight spectrum... just enough to need the assistance of a few servantmaids to lift her up afoot on a regular basis. Such pronounced callipygia was commonplace among women of any size and most any different ethnic background from whether Western Asia, India or North Africa across the latter Islamic world, as openly implies some erotic texts and tales from the 9th century A.D. Arab-Persian book 'One Thousand & One Nights' .

So yea... the fact you're parroting a popular misconception embedded deeply into late modern colonialist views of plumpness & obesity along feminine bodies from far dubious claims rooted into sicentific racism, that has been discredited and refuted one hundred eight years ago by French academicians who were studying Steatopygia among native-born Frenchmaids (e.g. socalled Caucasian women) , is the one reason WHY this topic needs to be tackled once at all, whether it displeases some group of men or not."

 

And for a first time since never, I get voted up four times and the interlocutor is the one who get voted down as many times... just before a tandem of twits did retaliatively votes me down as well as votes her up. Ignorance is a grudgeful bliss. Still, it was funny to see people from whatever spectrum of the Fat community getting owned withot having some random power hungry narcissist monitoring and censoring either I or anyone's instructive point made like a freaking David Rohl novel film adaptation with a heavyset, mean looking busty Nazi expy who spent her time eating chocolate, benchpressing weights and bullying people for archvillain (yea you hear me, shout out to 'Maltida') .

 

Something has been deplorably lost in the Anglophone Fat movement lately, not just the F.A. online community: the element of freedom of speech, enlightement and betterment over ignorance, tribalism, shallowness and chauvinism. We can point our fingers at OF, social medias, the travesty of Body Positivity, FF, Curvage, DM, ** whatever as the cause of all of that, but to be honest the issue is as skin-deep as the implicit biases behind bottom-heaviness among white bodies and coloured bodies. Society is the one true boogeyman everyone tries to escape, but refuses to actually feed off while deshinbiting themselves behind their keyboard.

I need to see what women on Curvage thinks about it. Any opinions?

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Guest Dave1431010

No offense John but why do you write in sentences that are so needlessly complicated. It makes your writing unreadable

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English might be John's second language. I've noticed that John sometimes uses Quebecois. 

Also, John likes to write in a way that makes him feel intelligent. John would rather make simple ideas complicated than to make complicated ideas simple. The former gives one a false sense of superiority, while the latter is an actual attempt to convey ideas.

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On 12/26/2020 at 5:16 PM, Verge said:

English might be John's second language. I've noticed that John sometimes uses Quebecois. 

Also, John likes to write in a way that makes him feel intelligent. John would rather make simple ideas complicated than to make complicated ideas simple. The former gives one a false sense of superiority, while the latter is an actual attempt to convey ideas.

Yeah I figured English might not be his first language, which is fine of course 

but John I do wish you would write in simpler sentences.. you don’t need to prove you’re smart here

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47 minutes ago, Dave1431010 said:

Yeah I figured English might not be his first language, which is fine of course 

but John I do wish you would write in simpler sentences.. you don’t need to prove you’re smart here

I agree with what you state. He doesn't have to prove his intellect on this forum where we seek to beat meat. I believe that he writes the way he does because he wants to convince himself that he is intelligent. This is not to say that he is dumb; this is to say that he worries that he may not be as "smart" as he thinks he is and it worries him. There is no conversation to be had with John. His posts are one sided since he can't get over his own insecurities. Ultimately, this prevents him from socializing on this forum and beyond.

Look at how multiple paragraphs are spent in this very post about his responses on Reddit. It's very important to him. John, don't let the "interlocutors" define your worth. This is not to say your ideas are cogent and worth consideration, but don't wait with bated breath to see how many upvotes you have on a post. Further, don't write multiple paragraphs about Reddit arguments as it doesn't correspond to your thesis. Have some self confidence.

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I suspect that John may be a professor of some sort. He probably does research on this topic for himself and to shine a light in fat fetishism, using a mixture of knowledge from gender studies, history and intercultural/cross-cultural studies. Tbh, I really respect his work, though I feel it would be best to create a blog/journal like platform separate from his musings on this website and Reddit.

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On 12/27/2020 at 9:59 PM, Dave1431010 said:

Yeah I figured English might not be his first language, which is fine of course 

but John I do wish you would write in simpler sentences.. you don’t need to prove you’re smart here

Is you Americans and your obsession about the quality of my written English is a passive-agressive form of implicit xenophobia or is that just the need to actually not read anything remotely longer than a phone text long rambling that shocks the younger generations?

 

I mean, is this cultural or generational? 

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3 hours ago, JOEjoeJ said:

I suspect that John may be a professor of some sort. He probably does research on this topic for himself and to shine a light in fat fetishism, using a mixture of knowledge from gender studies, history and intercultural/cross-cultural studies. Tbh, I really respect his work, though I feel it would be best to create a blog/journal like platform separate from his musings on this website and Reddit.

(Chuckles) Not a professor. Although a lot of people asked me to devote myself into such career. 

 

I've always thought that was a passive way to ask me to shut up whenever I invited or engaged into a debate and make people feels uncomfortable. My intent is not to do so, lest not about my socalled fluency: but about setting a communal mindset forward some thought-provoking questioning. 

 

It might be perhaps something I will intent in a near future. Engaging people into debates stirred up from my musings. Yet, I doubt that Reddit might be the most ideal platform to do so.

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3 hours ago, John Smith said:

Is you Americans and your obsession about the quality of my written English is a passive-agressive form of implicit xenophobia or is that just the need to actually not read anything remotely longer than a phone text long rambling that shocks the younger generations?

 

I mean, is this cultural or generational? 

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your writing is obnoxious and pretentious John that’s why people don’t enjoy it

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Dave,

You really were giving John the benefit of the doubt. And that was kind of you. John has a tendency of using the natural ambiguity of culture to deflect any form of criticism. Not only does he use culture to deflect, but he also uses it as a spear. He will thrust such words as "xenophobic" at anyone who he deems as a threat. He has laid bare his worst qualities in his response to you.

John, to question one's first language is not xenophobic. It's true that some of your language usage is cultural. However, some of your language in your initial post is not ascribed to anyone's culture. It can only be ascribed to your ignorance of how to use the vocabulary you chose. Also, how do you know if Dave is American? How do you know if I am American? This is an anonymous forum. Some people do not wear their nationality on their sleeve. Do you see your hypocrisy? 

I suppose I should speak to your thesis: "P.A.W.G. is the most preposterous colloquial coining ever made: its outmoded racialist overtones obvious" or something.

Indeed, the word White is a part of the acronym PAWG. However, that does immediately imply that PAWG is racist or has racist overtones. You need to support this part of your argument. In what way does the word PAWG infer race superiority?

Do you desire a word/acronym that refers to fat asses but is not race exclusive and is not negative? I am extrapolating here as your "argument" is poorly written, but I think this is what you want. Fat-ass can be used in a negative way. But it's in my experience that PAWG is used with a positive inflection. Some may regard the acronym as empowering. 

If I am right in my extrapolation, I don't think that your proposed alternatives for the Black variant of PAWG will work. Recall, people must accept words to have them be considered valid. Your words are too scientific and sterile to catch on within non-scientific communities. Also, couldn't you use the word booty or donk? While these alternatives are not necessarily Black exclusive, the words have the positive inflection that PAWG has. 

And to your last quote: Society is the one true boogeyman everyone tries to escape, but refuses to actually feed off while deshinbiting [sic] themselves behind their keyboard.

What are you on about? Society is not a boogeyman. There may be parts that you may fear, but as a whole? This quote does a better job at describing you than "everyone".

I suppose you're trying to talk about the idea that on average people may be more isolated due to the advent of technology. But in what way are people refusing to feed off of society? All of us in this thread are feeding off of society as we type our responses here. John, Dave, Joe, and myself have not refused to interact with society since we are interacting right now. But for some reason, this type of interaction doesn't count to you since you add on the phrase "while deshinbiting [sic] themselves behind their keyboard." Why does speaking to people on a forum not count as feeding off of society? You seem to make up the rules as you go along, John.

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On 12/29/2020 at 7:47 AM, Dave1431010 said:

your writing is obnoxious and pretentious John that’s why people don’t enjoy it

You are projecting your feelings of insecurity and pack-mindedness over a topic that has nothing to do with your rambling rant. 

 

Who hurt you? How the hell does this topic has anything capable to bruise your ego?? A minority lobby on Curvage bleats anytime being tired about my so-called "pretentiousness" even to the point of hijacking whole threads that has nothing to do with me because my mere presence has been enough to bother them: but have you ever read mine and those of other forum-goers tired of your shenanigans, your obsessive crusade, unassumed inferiority complex, implicit biases and obnoxiousness shown none only against me but against other members and even some content creators as well?? Or are we going to religiously going full-on "F**k Zack Snyder" and see Curvage lose its 23,000 remaining viewers/lurkers out of the 300,000 before realizing how far the ever-emboldered toxicity of this situation has contribued to damage the whole online F.A. community.

 

Because at the end of the day... we're going to wind up like one of those more "relatable" movies devoid of "pretentiousness" and full of escapism...

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Guess what happened next. No one besides the freaks cheers about this, anymore. 

 

I've done with you. Man up and give us some cheek.

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3 hours ago, John Smith said:

You are projecting your feelings of insecurity and pack-mindedness over a topic that has nothing to do with your rambling rant. 

 

Who hurt you? How the hell does this topic has anything capable to bruise your ego?? A minority lobby on Curvage bleats anytime being tired about my so-called "pretentiousness" even to the point of hijacking whole threads that has nothing to do with me because my mere presence has been enough to bother them: but have you ever read mine and those of other forum-goers tired of your shenanigans, your obsessive crusade, unassumed inferiority complex, implicit biases and obnoxiousness shown none only against me but against other members and even some content creators as well?? Or are we going to religiously going full-on "F**k Zack Snyder" and see Curvage lose its 23,000 remaining viewers/lurkers out of the 300,000 before realizing how far the ever-emboldered toxicity of this situation has contribued to damage the whole online F.A. community.

 

Because at the end of the day... we're going to wind up like one of those more "relatable" movies devoid of "pretentiousness" and full of escapism...

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Guess what happened next. No one besides the freaks cheers about this, anymore. 

 

I've done with you. Man up and give us some cheek.

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ok.

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On 12/26/2020 at 10:36 PM, Dave1431010 said:

No offense John but why do you write in sentences that are so needlessly complicated. It makes your writing unreadable

Shhhhhh! Now he'll tell you you're intellectually inferior and you're jealous of his "Queen's English" (sic). No, really.

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Just now, You have a gut said:

Shhhhhh! Now he'll tell you you're intellectually inferior and you're jealous of his "Queen's English" (sic). No, really.

Ooops! Too late, I see he's already done that.

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On 12/31/2020 at 1:09 AM, John Smith said:

You are projecting your feelings of insecurity and pack-mindedness over a topic that has nothing to do with your rambling rant. 

 

Who hurt you? How the hell does this topic has anything capable to bruise your ego?? A minority lobby on Curvage bleats anytime being tired about my so-called "pretentiousness" even to the point of hijacking whole threads that has nothing to do with me because my mere presence has been enough to bother them: but have you ever read mine and those of other forum-goers tired of your shenanigans, your obsessive crusade, unassumed inferiority complex, implicit biases and obnoxiousness shown none only against me but against other members and even some content creators as well?? Or are we going to religiously going full-on "F**k Zack Snyder" and see Curvage lose its 23,000 remaining viewers/lurkers out of the 300,000 before realizing how far the ever-emboldered toxicity of this situation has contribued to damage the whole online F.A. community.

 

Because at the end of the day... we're going to wind up like one of those more "relatable" movies devoid of "pretentiousness" and full of escapism...

Dd-ljIgV0AAVolZ.thumb.jpg.9d6728b85fd5a522ee691225ee860b11.jpg

Guess what happened next. No one besides the freaks cheers about this, anymore. 

 

I've done with you. Man up and give us some cheek.

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In case you had any delusions on that respect, you're no intellectual, Johnny Boy. Not by a long shot. Only pretentious 14-year-old boys think overwrought prose and long words -some of which seem to be of your own invention- makes you intelligent.

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John, 

You've had ample opportunity to continue your initial conversation. I even gave a response to your argument. Your refusal to interact with me shows me that you never had any intention of having a conversation regarding your initial post. With that in mind, why did you even post? Are you only here on the off chance that someone strokes your ego?

Also, you've directly participated in the "derailment" of this thread with your incessant ad hominem attacks. Is there any part of you that isn't in bad faith? 

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Back to the initial point (if there was one at all) I don't get how the term PAWG can be understood as racist. Is it because it assumes black girls have fat asses? Well, on average, yes, they have bigger asses than white girls. That's why the phrase "white girl booty" is a trope.

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I really hope the moderators see how constantly John brings up race and will eventually permanently get rid of this guy. It makes sooo many people uncomfortable and needlessly so. It's bad enough we live in such a polarized world, the last thing anyone should want is to make a place like Curvage feel like modern politics 

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