Are plus size models getting more plus?

[Guest SR71]

 Ten years ago, curvy but not fat models like Denise Bidot and Ashley Graham were the norm in Plus modeling. Every once in a while you would see a bigger model like the then-larger Rosie Mercado, but for the most part it was size 14-16 and not much belly. Now it seems like rounder bellies and even bigger boobs and butts are the trend. Models also seem to see no shame in gaining weight from Ellana Bryan to Tess Munster. Ones that try to lose like Diana Sirokai and Latecia Thomas generally regain. Most models would be considered quite obese by BMI standards and many look at least size 18-20. Even Denise and Ashley probably weigh a bit more than when their careers started. What does everyone think and will this trend continue?

[Belly worshipper]

I hope it continues so bigger girls can get more representation and increase body confidence so more women can chill out with diets. 

[thefeedernextdoor]

Absolutely. As you said, most plus size models 10 - 12 years ago were generally taller women (5"10 - 5"11) who had a wider frame but still weren't truly fat. 12 years ago the biggest plus size model I saw was Charlotte Coyle

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Seeing photos of her now, she doesn't look that fat really.

Now we're seeing more inclusivity of all different plus size body shapes. Tall, short, apple, pear, hourglass, white, black, latino etc.

[Belly worshipper]

55 minutes ago, thefeedernextdoor said:

Absolutely. As you said, most plus size models 10 - 12 years ago were generally taller women (5"10 - 5"11) who had a wider frame but still weren't truly fat. 12 years ago the biggest plus size model I saw was Charlotte Coyle

See:

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Seeing photos of her now, she doesn't look that fat really.

Now we're seeing more inclusivity of all different plus size body shapes. Tall, short, apple, pear, hourglass, white, black, latino etc.

I can just imagine dating a plus size model and more men dating plus size models to help normalize men loving bigger women. Especially with the trend of them getting bigger? Hopefully it'll be a new society norm. 

[Renaissanceman]

Yeah, İ think body positivity has advanced somewhat. The market has also grown as populations have gotten fatter in many countries. But in the long view, this is more a return to venerable ancient beauty standards than a radical departure. The history of art from fertility goddesses onward to the Renaissance and later Romanticism to depictions of Marilyn Monroe in the 1960s tells us that some people have always worshipped fat chicks. İ am glad to see them more in the open and celebrated for the goddesses they are.

[Hirsch von Bork]

24 minutes ago, Renaissanceman said:

Yeah, İ think body positivity has advanced somewhat. The market has also grown as populations have gotten fatter in many countries. But in the long view, this is more a return to venerable ancient beauty standards than a radical departure. The history of art from fertility goddesses onward to the Renaissance and later Romanticism to depictions of Marilyn Monroe in the 1960s tells us that some people have always worshipped fat chicks. İ am glad to see them more in the open and celebrated for the goddesses they are.

Sorry to disagree, but actually Marilyn was far from being  fat, althought she was a bit plumper at 'Some like it hot'. The ideal woman has been thin for a hundred years. 

[Hirsch von Bork]

https://themarilynmonroecollection.com/marilyn-monroe-true-size/

[Renaissanceman]

3 hours ago, das Hirschlein said:

Sorry to disagree, but actually Marilyn was far from being  fat, althought she was a bit plumper at 'Some like it hot'. The ideal woman has been thin for a hundred years. 

I wasn't saying she was fat by Curvage/BBW porn/feederism standards, or the same weight throughout her career. I was saying that, for a significant chunk of her career, she was fat by Hollywood standards, but millions of people loved her anyway.

My larger point is that love and appreciation for larger women never entirely disappeared within western culture. I would also argue that this holds even more true in numerous African, Middle Eastern, South Asian, and Pacific Islander cultures, and among some indigenous people in the Americas. Your statement that the "ideal woman has been thin for a hundred years" is true of the mainstream western fashion industry, but it doesn't describe the entirety of the west, which still had some artists who celebrated larger women in the 20th century (think of Picasso's "Women Running on the Beach"), and some actresses and singers who were chubby and voluptuous, as well as communities like African Americans where being super-slim was never very fashionable anyway. And it certainly doesn't describe the whole planet, from North Africa to Polynesia to the Arctic, etc. I stand by my fairly modest original claim, which was simply that public appreciation for fat chicks may be increasing, but it's 1) not new in the long view of history, and 2) never entirely disappeared.

[Batman76]

Marilyn Monroe had a 22 inch waist for most of her career, she was essentially the same size as emma watson but with big boobs, to the point that when some of her preserved dresses were put on display they couldn't fit them on the mannequins. She had some upwards swings but those were during her many lost pregnancies.

 

To the topic at hand, yes plus size models are getting heavier on average. It used to be they'd just have the same proportions as skinny models but now you see big guts and big butts on them. Hell, I think regular models average weight is starting to climb too

[Renaissanceman]

3 hours ago, Batman76 said:

Marilyn Monroe had a 22 inch waist for most of her career, she was essentially the same size as emma watson but with big boobs, to the point that when some of her preserved dresses were put on display they couldn't fit them on the mannequins. She had some upwards swings but those were during her many lost pregnancies

Okay, I take back the "most of her career" claim, but her Some Like It Hot weight would have been considered fat by the (insane) Hollywood standards of the 1980s or 1990s. In some scenes in that movie, you can clearly see a slight paunch, a slight double chin, and an ass that shakes when she walks. When I was younger and realizing I was an FA, I used to play and replay one of the Florida hotel scenes where she is on a bed and her belly roll is clearly visible. Even if she was only really plump at certain moments in her career, all I was saying was that some people were very attracted to her at those moments in the late 1950s. There have always been some people who celebrate curves, even if mainstream standards change. But yes, plus size models are probably getting bigger on average, and I love it.

 

[Guest SR71]

10 hours ago, Batman76 said:

Marilyn Monroe had a 22 inch waist for most of her career, she was essentially the same size as emma watson but with big boobs, to the point that when some of her preserved dresses were put on display they couldn't fit them on the mannequins. She had some upwards swings but those were during her many lost pregnancies.

 

To the topic at hand, yes plus size models are getting heavier on average. It used to be they'd just have the same proportions as skinny models but now you see big guts and big butts on them. Hell, I think regular models average weight is starting to climb too

Batman who are the bigger "regular" models you are noticing this with?

[Hirsch von Bork]

Ok. Let's go by parts:

 

- In  Western societies, thin is still in. It is impossible for an actress to be a Hollywood star if she is anything above 125 pounds.  Even if they need an actress to be slightly overweight for a role, they hire a thin one and made her to gain weight, because no major actress can be overweight. 

 

- Back in the 50s and 60s, the situation was pretty similar. A thin waist was mandatory, althought bigger boobs were more common. The looks of Marilyn in that film was the exception. Compare it with any movie feauturing Audrey Hepburn.

- Nevertheless, with regards to fashion modelling, Plus-Size models are becoming more and more common, and even within them, the fatter ones like Tess Holliday are becoming more socially acceptable, although still controversial. But the regular model, the standard one, it is still skinny. 

[Batman76]

56 minutes ago, SR71 said:

Batman who are the bigger "regular" models you are noticing this with?

Barbara Palvin.

And yeah, Palvin is skinny but not for a vs model. But compare her now to VS models eight years ago.

[MaisieMuffin CLIPS]

Modeling used to be 98% straight size, and even those models were often at the thinnest end of the spectrum. Plus size models were larger-framed women who's proportions were expanded or exaggerated versions of thin models and only a very specific body type was acceptable in the industry.

Now we're finally starting to have fat models in various sizes and proportions. There's also a growing segment of curve/inbetween-size models, which is great considering how many women out there don't properly fit into traditional straight size or plus size clothing. Most clothing websites today are way more diverse in their modeling than they used to be, which is also really useful for giving shoppers a better sense of how something might fit, as well as simply giving us better representation.

[Guest high]

The internet has taken out the gatekeepers. There are many deliciously larger plus size models who do product endorsements and they're doing it on their own. Especially since they are more representative of real women.

[Guest Verlorener]

See, it’s hard for me to know exactly, because each year I sought something out bigger than the previous year, going back to the early 2010s. I mean, it wasn’t exactly in this order but you get the idea. You can see I made the switch to Instagram when I hit  the weight limit for “professional” models. Instagram definitely raised the weight bar.