Are male fat-admirers primarily Incels?

[fmlsalmon]

2 hours ago, technic3 said:

There was already a mod intervention in this thread where references to "Incels being domestic terrorists" were removed.  That is a bigoted, politically slanted definition that is not supported by the data.  

I believe the rest of your response is strawmanning my argument / selectively redefining my premise - but I shall mull on it a little longer. 

Would you care to provide such data?

[Guest Mr Froggy]

2 minutes ago, fmlsalmon said:

Would you care to provide such data?

See I could go away now and pull up the handful of what domestic terrorist acts have been committed explicitly "in the name of inceldom" (I believe its under 5) and contrast this with the scores of posts in 'Incel forums' denouncing such violence  -  but there should really be no obligation placed on me to prove a negative.   Or to prove that a small minority of sexually frustrated murderers 'do not' represent millions of sexually unsuccessful men, worldwide.  

Claiming that sexually unsuccessful men are inherently interested in the carrying out of acts of violence on innocent members of the public is an extraordinary claim - which should require extraordinary evidence.   Far more terrorist acts have also been done in the name of Animal Rights than 'Inceldom' - but I don't be so crass and cruel as to state that Animal Rights activists are invariably a domestic terrorist group.

Usually the only 'evidence' of there being 'endemic violent rhetoric' in the "incel community" is a handful of famous screenshots from Incels.me and r/incels where a small number of deranged individuals suggested that innocent women should be indiscriminately punished for the broad 'sin' of hypergamy.   There's certainly a lot of hate (more like contempt) for women in Incel circles - but those seriously advocating and planning violent retribution are in the minority.  

[fmlsalmon]

1 hour ago, technic3 said:

See I could go away now and pull up the handful of what domestic terrorist acts have been committed explicitly "in the name of inceldom" (I believe its under 5) and contrast this with the scores of posts in 'Incel forums' denouncing such violence  -  but there should really be no obligation placed on me to prove a negative.   Or to prove that a small minority of sexually frustrated murderers 'do not' represent millions of sexually unsuccessful men, worldwide.  

Claiming that sexually unsuccessful men are inherently interested in the carrying out of acts of violence on innocent members of the public is an extraordinary claim - which should require extraordinary evidence.   Far more terrorist acts have also been done in the name of Animal Rights than 'Inceldom' - but I don't be so crass and cruel as to state that Animal Rights activists are invariably a domestic terrorist group.

Usually the only 'evidence' of there being 'endemic violent rhetoric' in the "incel community" is a handful of famous screenshots from Incels.me and r/incels where a small number of deranged individuals suggested that innocent women should be indiscriminately punished for the broad 'sin' of hypergamy.   There's certainly a lot of hate (more like contempt) for women in Incel circles - but those seriously advocating and planning violent retribution are in the minority.  

You’re aware of the burden of proof yes? You made the claim that “[The definition of incels] is a bigoted, politically slanted definition that is not supported by the data.”

Surely, if you’re so confident in your claim, you can provide the receipts? 

 

[Guest Mr Froggy]

I say again - people are not under a burden to prove a negative.  

An absence of evidence IS evidence of absence IF the claim is so hyperbolic that it would require extraordinary evidence.   

https://logfall.wordpress.com/negative-proof-fallacy/

I also told you where the evidence is - what, do you want me to compile a tally of screenshots?   Objective measures of how many self-indentified Incels condemn vs endorse?

Its a point of principle at this moment.  I'm actually very well versed in this subject - as I said in this thread before (before specific off-topic posts got nuked), I am a ghostwriter for a large youtube channel.  One of my previous projects was an in-depth look at 'the incel problem' .   Sadly I cant link you to my work because it would breach my contract (hence 'ghost' writer) - but I am writing a follow-up deep dive under my own name.  I'll be sure to post it here if you're that interested - it should answer your questions.

[fmlsalmon]

1 hour ago, technic3 said:

I say again - people are not under a burden to prove a negative.  

An absence of evidence IS evidence of absence IF the claim is so hyperbolic that it would require extraordinary evidence.   

https://logfall.wordpress.com/negative-proof-fallacy/

I also told you where the evidence is - what, do you want me to compile a tally of screenshots?   Objective measures of how many self-indentified Incels condemn vs endorse?

Its a point of principle at this moment.  I'm actually very well versed in this subject - as I said in this thread before (before specific off-topic posts got nuked), I am a ghostwriter for a large youtube channel.  One of my previous projects was an in-depth look at 'the incel problem' .   Sadly I cant link you to my work because it would breach my contract (hence 'ghost' writer) - but I am writing a follow-up deep dive under my own name.  I'll be sure to post it here if you're that interested - it should answer your questions.

 

You glossed over an important point that Joliat made, which was that Canada’s RCMP is adding Incels to their terrorism awareness guide, seen here: 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7021882/rcmp-incel-terrorism-guide/

And they’re not the only ones. The Texas department of public safety recently published a report that described Incels as “...a growing domestic terrorism concern due to the ideological nature of recent Incel attacks internationally, nationwide, and in Texas.”

The TDPS even goes as far to say that “this particular threat could soon match, or potentially eclipse, the level of lethalness demonstrated by other domestic terrorism types.”

Seen here: https://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staff/media_and_communications/2020/txTerrorThreatAssessment.pdf

 

It’s clear that not one but two different government entities have concluded that Incels are a threat. 

What’s your evidence against this? A couple of screenshots of users of Incels.me playing nice? 

Reminder that r/incels was banned from Reddit for a violation of their policy. Specifically regarding violence, as seen here: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/technology/incels-reddit-banned.html

 

You’re here using some of their rhetoric. You’re here defending them against the use of their well earned definition. 

Do you sympathize with them?

I certainly do not.

[Guest Mr Froggy]

12 minutes ago, fmlsalmon said:

 

You glossed over an important point that Joliat made, which     

I'm hesitant to give you the kind of response you want as I can tell we're rapidly heading off topic into a much broader moral discussion about gender dynamics and 'inceldom' 

A mod literally purged this very thread mere hours ago saying "Incels are just lonely guys... not terrorists... stay on topic".

 

What I will say is that the whole reason I produce my extended views & research on this subject into blog and video form is so I don't have to repeat myself for every Tom, Dick and Anonymous Nobody such as yourself seeking to get on a soapbox on a forum 🙃

[fmlsalmon]

1 hour ago, technic3 said:

I'm hesitant to give you the kind of response you want as I can tell we're rapidly heading off topic into a much broader moral discussion about gender dynamics and 'inceldom' 

A mod literally purged this very thread mere hours ago saying "Incels are just lonely guys... not terrorists... stay on topic".

 

What I will say is that the whole reason I produce my extended views & research on this subject into blog and video form is so I don't have to repeat myself for every Tom, Dick and Anonymous Nobody such as yourself seeking to get on a soapbox on a forum 🙃

Uh huh. Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

[Guest You're getting fat]

13 hours ago, technic3 said:

That does also broadly align with my own experience.  I come from a thin family and my mother is a terrible 'fat shamer'.  She'll never miss an opportinity to mock a confident but even slightly pudgy woman behind her back for having (what she deems to be) too much confidence / self esteem. 

I often wonder if my own attraction to pudgy women (my own personal taste is belly-focused and tops out at around 220lbs) was in part caused by my mother's conditioning?  Did I grow up to subconsciously see women without flat stomachs as a dangerous taboo... or an unfairly prosecuted, vulnerable underclass? 

How this relates to my 'incel' theory is I came to 'the online world' of fat fetishism because in my youth, I couldn't attain a chubby 'normie' girlfriend (well, not one I found facially attractive, anyway).   This changed as I got older and started working out... but my addiction to the online material remained. 

Your mom sounds like mine, but in my case my "inspiration" came from the real world, including watching girls being fat shamed by my mom and my sister, or even other guys. In my case slim girlfriends would end up chubbing up somewhat, leaving me with conflicted feelings of arousal and embarrassment. What the Internet provided in my case was a the opportunity to watch celebrities getting fat, which was an ever bigger taboo than regular girls.

[chubbybutt22]

On 6/7/2020 at 11:44 PM, FeederDave said:

“Incel” is a online term used by women to shame men, usually when a man has the upper hand in an argument. They don’t actually exist. 
and the ones who exist on forums like Incel.me or whatever have a deeper problem than “not getting laid” — that is not a mark of value, it exists solely in a sexually liberated society. 
 

A Fat Fetish. 🙄

Spotted the incel! 
 

They are 100% real (at least self proclaimed ones online). Like the red pill guys or MGTOW. 

[chubbybutt22]

On 6/7/2020 at 11:44 PM, FeederDave said:

“Incel” is a online term used by women to shame men, usually when a man has the upper hand in an argument. They don’t actually exist. 
and the ones who exist on forums like Incel.me or whatever have a deeper problem than “not getting laid” — that is not a mark of value, it exists solely in a sexually liberated society. 
 

A Fat Fetish. 🙄

Posted twice by mistake. 

[Guest Mr Froggy]

1 hour ago, chubbybutt22 said:

Spotted the incel! 
 

They are 100% real (at least self proclaimed ones online). Like the red pill guys or MGTOW. 

Tbh both of you are correct.   It *is* often used as a baseless insult by women to shame men who hold specific political views (that's exactly what you just did to guy you quoted! 😂).. 

...but 'real ones' certainly DO also exist.  

[Guest FeederDave]

3 hours ago, chubbybutt22 said:

Spotted the incel! 

the sexual revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race,  it has made  people more “free” but has destabilized society, has made sex lack luster and has subjugated man to indignities and wide spread psychological suffering. 
 

Incels are a product of sexual revolution. Creating the Incel, could be argued was the goal of revolution all along. Alienated, Anti-Social, Weak Men, entrenched with Porn and Drugs.

 

The problem with Incels is not lack of sex, the problem with Incels is unhealthy inordinate passions... the regime can’t solve this problem, because modernity is only allowed to criticized if it doesn’t hurt a liberal good, and sexual “freedom” is the coup de creme 

[Guest FeederDave]

2 hours ago, technic3 said:

Tbh both of you are correct.   It *is* often used as a baseless insult by women to shame men who hold specific political views (that's exactly what you just did to guy you quoted! 😂).. 

...but 'real ones' certainly DO also exist.  

If I’m an Incel, Ted Kaczynski was a Luddite, in the same sense... of which he wasn’t. People can make sober analysis without being burdened by emotions, 

[chubbybutt22]

14 hours ago, FeederDave said:

the sexual revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race,  it has made  people more “free” but has destabilized society, has made sex lack luster and has subjugated man to indignities and wide spread psychological suffering. 
 

Incels are a product of sexual revolution. Creating the Incel, could be argued was the goal of revolution all along. Alienated, Anti-Social, Weak Men, entrenched with Porn and Drugs.

 

The problem with Incels is not lack of sex, the problem with Incels is unhealthy inordinate passions... the regime can’t solve this problem, because modernity is only allowed to criticized if it doesn’t hurt a liberal good, and sexual “freedom” is the coup de creme 

I mean. That is literally incel/MGTOW/TRP rhetoric. I like to troll their sites for fun. And what you said is very close to what they say. See attached pictures of actually incel/MGTOW/TRP sites. 

 

[MaisieMuffin CLIPS]

Let's not confuse male fat-admirers with male Internet dwellers who spend an inordinate amount of time engaging anonymously in inane, unproductive intellectual debate on forums...

Plenty of men who prefer fat women are just out there living their life, loving fat women, and not navel-gazing or spinning their wheels in feats of mental masturbation.

[Guest FeederDave]

11 hours ago, chubbybutt22 said:

I mean. That is literally incel/MGTOW/TRP rhetoric. I like to troll their sites for fun. And what you said is very close to what they say. See attached pictures of actually incel/MGTOW/TRP sites. 

 

You don’t care about assessing the truth or falsehood of anything only to dismiss and slander those who do. 

 

10 hours ago, sugardork said:

inane, unproductive intellectual debate on forums

Weak. 

[Guest M_ustang1]

LOL

 

Male FA here... cant relate, I get plenty

Best of luck 

[pac_matt]

Let's not confuse male fat-admirers with male Internet dwellers who spend an inordinate amount of time engaging anonymously in inane, unproductive intellectual debate on forums...
Plenty of men who prefer fat women are just out there living their life, loving fat women, and not navel-gazing or spinning their wheels in feats of mental masturbation.

I was going to write something similar... Ya beat me.

I think the OP posted too many discussion points from the go and the question could just easily be reframed as "Are the majority of men who ONLY interact (or not even that) with women online of a certain demographic?"

I've been about the scene, FA men are just men, they're varied but also like a guy you see down the pub on a Friday.

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[extra_m13]

identifying the root of the fetish... i can only speak for myself. personally i think it was partly from growing up in a fat shaming society, but... at the end, it was just because that is the way it is. my dick gets hard when i see rolls and cellulite and a lady overeating and that doesnt really happen with the same intensity as when i see a victoria secret skinny super model. i have come to accept that and i try to maintain a balance betweeen what is a fantasy (having a wife that is constantly gaining) and what can be a reality, having an obese wife and happy wife

[tokka]

A lot of dudes on this site are actually normal. I am no incel as I have been in a 3 year relationship so far. She is actually a slim thick girl, but I am also attracted to likes of Love Randalin , Rose Aoyama, and London Andrews (preferably 2012-2014). People who know me would be shocked if they found out I was into "thicc" women. This place is a community for those who admire them, but would prefer to be silent about them in real life (at least me). 

[CarlGnarl]

No, they're not. 

 

 

[CarlGnarl]

Also, my girlfriends have been well upwards of 300 pounds, and the last thin, "hot" one was three years ago, 5'3 and probably 112 pounds. I like 'em all..but for long-term, the fatties are my weakness. 

[extra_m13]

incel is a strong word. it is very difficult to generalize. i guess there are some, there should be i mean, why not, but that ... i do no think it is related to the fact of being an FA. i have dreamed of course of commanding my gf to eat this and that and to make her gain weight but i understand that is just not the way to proceed in a long term relationship. in the same tone i am sure there are fitness junkies who force their ladies to workout and religious people that force a different type of behavier sooo

[WatermelonMan]

I think of incels as those misogynist young people who eventually spray bullets around. The ones who don't try to make themselves palatable to women and get all the love and hugs and sex they want, instead of demanding hot chicks drop their panties just because they sent her messages reading "Hi" and "How r u" and, in this community, "r u gaining" "how much do u way" and "u need to gain 100 pounds"

The very term implies a ridiculous person. 

[Guest ForTheLoveOfThickWomen]

I don’t know, man. Maybe, but in my case, probably not. 

I hate that this may make me sound cocky, because I actually am a little insecure about a lot of things.

I’ve been wildly into fitness my whole life. I’ve always had ABs and a solid jaw line. 
 

I’ve never really had problems attracting women. If anything I was initially worried about what people might think of me if an athlete were to date someone who was the exact opposite. I realized that was shallow and really fucking uncool.
 

I’ve changed a lot. My SO is pretty fat actually. She weighs more than me, and there’s not a single cake or box of donuts this girl won’t put down. 
 

I’m glad I accepted myself and didn’t feel pressured by social norms. 
 

to me, heavier women have the freedom that I never gave myself- to self indulge and be lazy and be served.... by me. That’s a lot of the attraction. 
 

They represent the confidence that I never had to say “I don’t care what you think of me. I’m happy and luscious.” And that is the sexiest thing going.