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Some people envisions into this 29-years old American congresswoman the next Barack Obama. Others, the next Theodore Roosevelt. For others, the first whatever-and-anything or second, third, nay fourth whatever-anything in history.

But what about you, people of Curvage? What are you envisioning for the next years? A empty shell... or an incoming epic thread??
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Ah the new green deal with cow fart police, no airplanes, and a happy shiny future all paid by something something. 

I'm reminded of the well worn saying from those that escape socialist hell holes: "What did socialists use before candles?"

"Electricity."

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I can't stand what she represents. A self-righteous zealot of a cause is as bad on the conservative side as they are on the liberal side. Regardless of her opinions, she has no knowledge of how to do what she wants to do, or accomplish the objects and goals she plans to. And if she does, she sure as hell doesn't show any evidence of it in speeches, documentation, or in any other form I'm aware of. If someone can provide evidence to the contrary please do.

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On 2/15/2019 at 5:34 PM, extra_m13 said:

if we must... she is skinny so, yes i guess she could gain some but, dangerous road to pick skinny public figure and see if they gain, better to pick out the ones that are actually gaining some

Who cares, she's not attractive. Just because someone would look better being fat doesn't make them beautiful because they gained. I agree with the statement above.

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On 2/15/2019 at 11:34 PM, extra_m13 said:

if we must... she is skinny so, yes i guess she could gain some but, dangerous road to pick skinny public figure and see if they gain, better to pick out the ones that are actually gaining some

But a skinny one gaining is far hotter, especially if she's the next big thing!

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1 hour ago, John Smith said:

@Jabba Desilijic Tiure I CHOOSE YOU!! (╯°□°)╯︵◓

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Something about her is hot.  Not her face, her body, and not even some of her politics...maybe it's her feisty demeanor?  Whatever.  I'll vote for her in 2024 over Don Jr. any day of the goddamn week.

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1 minute ago, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

Something about her is hot.  Not her face, her body, and not even some of her politics...maybe it's her feisty demeanor?  Whatever.  I'll vote for her in 2024 over Don Jr. any day of the goddamn week.

I knew you a little more combative. I though you're gotta whip all these philistines out of the map.

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On ‎2‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 10:22 PM, Grumbar11 said:

I can't stand what she represents.

A fairer deal for ALL Americans. Why would you or anyone not want that? Health care for all, gun law reforms that would make America resemble modern and civilised countries around the world. An American politician who finally recognises the devastation that climate breakdown will wreak even on America. Would you rather believe in science or put your faith in prayer like the grotesquely simplistic Huckabee Sanders? AOC is the best thing to happen to American in a very long time and is kryptonite to Trump and the far right because old white men running the show clearly doesn't work.

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19 minutes ago, Thadeus Jones said:

A fairer deal for ALL Americans. Why would you or anyone not want that? Health care for all, gun law reforms that would make America resemble modern and civilised countries around the world. An American politician who finally recognises the devastation that climate breakdown will wreak even on America. Would you rather believe in science or put your faith in prayer like the grotesquely simplistic Huckabee Sanders? AOC is the best thing to happen to American in a very long time and is kryptonite to Trump and the far right because old white men running the show clearly doesn't work.

I like your passion and I like her passion. Some of her ideas have merit. America's place in those world is very nuanced though, and AOC is bringing a hammer to a surgery. I really feel she's dangerous. And if she convinces young Americans that socialism is good, the Free world is doomed.

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2 minutes ago, Thadeus Jones said:

A fairer deal for ALL Americans. Why would you or anyone not want that? Health care for all, gun law reforms that would make America resemble modern and civilised countries around the world. An American politician who finally recognises the devastation that climate breakdown will wreak even on America. Would you rather believe in science or put your faith in prayer like the grotesquely simplistic Huckabee Sanders? AOC is the best thing to happen to American in a very long time and is kryptonite to Trump and the far right because old white men running the show clearly doesn't work.

You clearly have no more idea of a solution than your hero does. Continue to be a zealot who is just as bad as those you rail against. The greater good doesn't care who has the loudest voice, or who has the most followers on social media. All that matters is that a solution is found. 

As an example, do you know how healthcare for all would work? Do you have any idea how it should be accomplished? Where the money will come from? What methodology should be used to decrease pharmaceutical prices? How about how to pay for doctors and nurses all of whom have relatively high salaries? If you lower their salaries, how do you retain talent given the crazy debt most people have coming out of medical school? Would you tax the population of the country more? What about taxing the top 1%? What stops them from moving or offuscating their earnings? All of this is a huge systemic problem, which, as stang0909 points out, requires a precise series of solutions. 

The systems all work in an interconnected web which needs to be adjusted carefully. That is not to say it cannot be done quickly, it just has to be done delicately, otherwise it could all hemorrhage...which could destroy the USA entirely. And that would be a tragedy.

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6 minutes ago, stang0909 said:

And if she convinces young Americans that socialism is good, the Free world is doomed.

First of all I'm not a socialist. However, I do believe that health care for all, including the poorest people in society, is right and proper and should be expected of all democratic and civilised societies. To keep this brief - regarding your concerns about the free world being doomed - if for example the likes of Trump, Sanders and the majority of the GOP are given the opportunity to pursue their insane and ignorant policies on the environment and climate breakdown, then the free world most certainly is doomed. If having faith in science and fact over prayer and hoping for the best makes me appear more socialist than I actually am, then I'm fine with that.

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11 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

You clearly have no more idea of a solution than your hero does. Continue to be a zealot who is just as bad as those you rail against

You're mistaking admiration for hero worship. Anyhow, perhaps America could look at how health care for all works in European countries? It's extremely popular with sick people with little money, but it does irritate extremely wealthy people who'd rather just pay for their own care. In the UK we have the NHS and it's free at the point of use. Most people think it's a fine system and are happy to pay more taxes to fund things. We won't mind in the slightest if you copy us. Feel free to browse our gun laws as well. You're welcome.:)

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2 hours ago, Thadeus Jones said:

You're mistaking admiration for hero worship. Anyhow, perhaps America could look at how health care for all works in European countries? It's extremely popular with sick people with little money, but it does irritate extremely wealthy people who'd rather just pay for their own care. In the UK we have the NHS and it's free at the point of use. Most people think it's a fine system and are happy to pay more taxes to fund things. We won't mind in the slightest if you copy us. Feel free to browse our gun laws as well. You're welcome.:)

Yet, you don't live here. You're suggesting a solution without considering how long or difficult it might be to implement. How long did it take the UK to figure it out? How long has it been in place? How has it changed over the years? Who does it benefit most? 

You presume much, when you provide nothing of substantially value. Yes, there are plenty of European countries that have universal healthcare. No, it isn't a problem of size or scale. It is a matter of transition and resistance to change in combination with needing an effective set of procedures and methods with which to implement that change.

I've spoken with those who hate the healthcare systems in their countries, both those in nations with universal healthcare, and those without. It isn't all fun and rainbows. Likely the ideal would be to create a system in which everyone benefits, while avoiding the mistakes other nations made getting there. However, I do not think.anyone in politics in the USA today has the relevant knowledge to make it happen. Elections here are based on popularity in the moment, corrupt outdated systems of government, and a studied advertising usage that focuses more on getting elected term after term than it does on results and performance of those in office.

There is no point in fixing healthcare if it is torn down 2-6 years later. Permanent change will require change to the systems that govern. A revamping of how laws are made, for whom they are made, and why they are made. Here are some 'easy' changes I would recommend:

1. National pharmaceutical prices, meaning hospitals and doctors offices work off one set of prices for drugs, and generic drugs have a specific set price point which are based on costs of production not profits. This can be further expanded to all treatment points, having a base price based first off fixed costs. This does not mean companies cannot profit off drugs, just not after the 5-7 year time span which I think is already specified.

2. Universal vaccination regardless of your religious or cultural viewpoint.

3. Those in elected office receive specified compensation based on prevailing wage in their state, and cannot earn more than $150,000 in ANY form of compensation. Any income or investment beyond this while in office is grounds for dismissal.

4. All government organizations will need to submit to and work towards greater cost efficiency. I have some ideas about this, but it'd take waaaay too long to get into here.

5. When not in session, Congress must commit to 100 hours of community service for each member in the community which elected them.

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25 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

You're suggesting a solution without considering how long or difficult it might be to implement.

Yes, I am. The amount of time and difficulty in implementing it is irrelevant if the majority of voters are in favour and believe the current system is broken

 

28 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

How long did it take the UK to figure it out? How long has it been in place? How has it changed over the years? Who does it benefit most? 

The UK's NHS has been in place since 1948 and was conceived and developed by a socialist government. Over the years it has adapted to manage an aging population and of course all the advances in medicine. It benefits everyone because treatment is free at the point of access to all, regardless of wealth. The biggest problem it faces is underfunding, almost always by conservative governments who deeply resent the whole concept of health care for even the most vulnerable, they would much prefer to see the UK have a sink or swim system similar to the US. Fortunately the NHS is a treasured institution, and as I said before, most people here are more than willing to pay more tax to fund it properly.

 

38 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

No, it isn't a problem of size or scale. It is a matter of transition and resistance to change in combination with needing an effective set of procedures and methods with which to implement that change.

If the resistance comes from a vocal conservative minority then they need to be fought and defeated. Something being hard isn't a reason not to try. It always amazes me that people who lead a financially comfortable life object to those who aren't so fortunate receiving basic health care at no cost.

 

45 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

However, I do not think.anyone in politics in the USA today has the relevant knowledge to make it happen. Elections here are based on popularity in the moment, corrupt outdated systems of government, and a studied advertising usage that focuses more on getting elected term after term than it does on results and performance of those in office.

I agree. There currently aren't any politicians in the UK who'd have the talent and vision to create the NHS today. Brexit is a shambles and our parliament is made up of low energy, low intelligence chancers. Our election cycles are every five years, unfortunately governments instead of planning for the long term plan only in terms of being re-elected again much to the detriment  of us all.

 

52 minutes ago, Grumbar11 said:

've spoken with those who hate the healthcare systems in their countries, both those in nations with universal healthcare, and those without. 

1. National pharmaceutical prices, meaning hospitals and doctors offices work off one set of prices for drugs, and generic drugs have a specific set price point which are based on costs of production not profits. This can be further expanded to all treatment points, having a base price based first off fixed costs. This does not mean companies cannot profit off drugs, just not after the 5-7 year time span which I think is already specified.

2. Universal vaccination regardless of your religious or cultural viewpoint.

3. Those in elected office receive specified compensation based on prevailing wage in their state, and cannot earn more than $150,000 in ANY form of compensation. Any income or investment beyond this while in office is grounds for dismissal.

4. All government organizations will need to submit to and work towards greater cost efficiency. I have some ideas about this, but it'd take waaaay too long to get into here.

5. When not in session, Congress must commit to 100 hours of community service for each member in the community which elected them.

Many of your ideas have merit and it's not my intention to hold the UK up as some kind of example of excellence to other countries. We obviously have very many problems as well, fortunately healthcare and gun control are not among them. I share your frustration with politicians and if I were leader of the UK I'd make at least seven major policy changes on my first day. A lot can be done when you don't have to cram in numerous rounds of golf each week.

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4 minutes ago, OscarWinner said:

I believe it on good days when I'm feeling generous.

Lol. It would take a monumentally bad judge of human character to put AOC on a par with Palin. Cortez is nimble, quick witted, sharp, smart and knows how to deflect and play her opponents. I don't even know where to begin with the car crash that is Palin's political career except to say that it appears she is afflicted with the same delusions of her own intelligence and abilities as Trump. The pair of them, alongside Fox News and the GOP, have undermined truth, fact, and respect for America and in the process they have kicked aside common sense and decency, all the things that once prevented the ignorant, unfit and unworthy from gaining access to power in America.

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On 3/17/2019 at 6:09 PM, Thadeus Jones said:

Lol. It would take a monumentally bad judge of human character to put AOC on a par with Palin. Cortez is nimble, quick witted, sharp, smart and knows how to deflect and play her opponents. I don't even know where to begin with the car crash that is Palin's political career except to say that it appears she is afflicted with the same delusions of her own intelligence and abilities as Trump. The pair of them, alongside Fox News and the GOP, have undermined truth, fact, and respect for America and in the process they have kicked aside common sense and decency, all the things that once prevented the ignorant, unfit and unworthy from gaining access to power in America.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not... Cortez is a meme for how slow she is on understanding topics and ignorant of the nuances of the issues she's trying to tackle. She actually thought a tax break Amazon would get if it had stayed in New York was money that could be given to smaller businesses in a form of a tax return. She didn't understand dthat it was just money that AMAZON WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY. She's just as bad a Palin.

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3 hours ago, stang0909 said:

She's just as bad a Palin.

To be honest I never actually thought it would be possible for America to produce another "politician" quite as bad as Palin - but then of course Trump came along. AOC is young and she will make mistakes along the way, but she'll never be the cringe inducing embarrassment that Palin has been. The fact is she has conservatives worried and that's reflected by their continuous attacks and attempts to smear her by nit picking and over reacting to the slightest little thing. When held in comparison to the likes of Huckabee Sanders, Conway, McConnell, Cruz, Graham, Pence, she's a breath of fresh air and it's no wonder the GOP are soiling their pants.

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7 hours ago, Thadeus Jones said:

To be honest I never actually thought it would be possible for America to produce another "politician" quite as bad as Palin - but then of course Trump came along. AOC is young and she will make mistakes along the way, but she'll never be the cringe inducing embarrassment that Palin has been. The fact is she has conservatives worried and that's reflected by their continuous attacks and attempts to smear her by nit picking and over reacting to the slightest little thing. When held in comparison to the likes of Huckabee Sanders, Conway, McConnell, Cruz, Graham, Pence, she's a breath of fresh air and it's no wonder the GOP are soiling their pants.

The "soiling their pants" is the same reaction conservatives have to EVERY self proclaimed socialist. She's such a joke that Democrats are trying to do away with her entire district to prevent her from being elected again. The Dems are more afraid of her than Republicans. It's a little scary how uninformed you are on what's going on with her.

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