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Instead of crying to the mods, why not change the subject?  Like this:

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Two examples of weird fetishes, to illustrate a point:

I saw artwork by a guy on deviantart who had a bit of a WG fetish, but his primary fetish seemed to be girls with injuries set in plaster casts.  There was a whole narrative behind his artwork - an athletic girl gets a sports injury or something, has her leg set in a cast, and goes through a lifestyle change characterized by decreased activity, weight gain, and eventually, acceptance of the new lifestyle and added weight.  There's nothing in our hard-wiring (biology) that tells us to find plaster casts sexy, as they've only been around for a short time in human terms.  But there might be some deeper, more fundamental theme underlying the various elements of the fetish - vulnerability, forced immobility, sadism, forced metamorphosis? Who knows?  Maybe something even more basic, like how plaster looks or feels?  Either way, the cast is just the thing we latch on to at the sensory level, as a symbol for what we unconsciously find arousing.

Take another example.  Back in the days of StuffedOnline, I saw a lot of artwork and other content related to vorarephilia and furries.  Two fetishes that exist independent of one another, but seem to go well together.  After all, if you're a mouse-person, and she's a cat-person, it's pretty normal to fantasizes about her eating you whole, right? OK, maybe not, but that's not really even the point.  This fetish probably has a lot of the same undercurrents as the previous one, but with a whole subculture's worth of unique tropes. 

What's interesting about the latter example is that there is no satisfying real-life analogue for the desired stimuli.  There's no way to come even CLOSE to the actual set of sense-level stimuli that trigger arousal - in this case, being eaten whole by your sexual partner.  So I guess my real question is this:  Are "porn/masturbation" addictions more likely to occur in individuals who have fetishes that can't be satisfactorily realized by a real life partner? 

It seems pretty obvious as I write it out.  But if so, it bodes well for the guy who likes chubby girls in leg casts, but not well for the self-proclaimed furry who gets aroused by the idea of his girlfriend devouring him whole. 

As it pertains to most of the people here on Curvage, it means that people with fetishes for things like rapid/extreme weight gain, extreme stuffing, etc. are far more likely to fall into the porn addiction rabbit hole than people whose fetishes can be realized with a real life partner. 

Another interesting thing about this is that the porn exists because of the fetish, not the other way around. 

Anyway, sorry for the long, rambling post... just wanted to get this train back on the rails.

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@Mickloud

I don't think it works that way. A fetish/fantasy does help getting an addiction, since it allows more excitement than just watching regular porn, but it's by no means mandatory.

You could still be right, but it seems just pointless speculation unless you can have some real numbers.

I've tried asking a moderator or two about doing a brief survey on Curvage users, but no luck. I guess I'll have to find a better idea.

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@Mickloud

I don't think it works that way. A fetish/fantasy does help getting an addiction, since it allows more excitement than just watching regular porn, but it's by no means mandatory.

You could still be right, but it seems just pointless speculation unless you can have some real numbers.

I've tried asking a moderator or two about doing a brief survey on Curvage users, but no luck. I guess I'll have to find a better idea.

I wouldn't call it pointless.  It's a hypothesis.  I don't yet have an experimental model, but if I did, the first thing I'd try to eliminate is the variable of "excitement" as you put it. 

I'm not sure that one kind of porn is objectively more exciting than the other.  If you have a fat fetish, when you watch fat girl porn, the girl's fatness basically replaces whatever stimuli "normal people" find so appealing about "normal porn" as the trigger for arousal.  I'd wager that in almost all cases, fetishes exist at the expense of normal sexual desires, rather than operating in concert with them. 

Of course, I'm still speculating.  But I'm not even sure how something like "excitement" would even be measured.  I find the whole subject to be pretty vague.  I know what gets me off, but I couldn't rate my excitement when watching "stuffing porn" (for lack of a better term) in any meaningful way, such as to compare it to the excitement experienced by "normal people" when they watch "normal porn."

As for polling the community, have you tried using something like the Forms in Google Drive?

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I'm not sure that one kind of porn is objectively more exciting than the other.  If you have a fat fetish, when you watch fat girl porn, the girl's fatness basically replaces whatever stimuli "normal people" find so appealing about "normal porn" as the trigger for arousal.  I'd wager that in almost all cases, fetishes exist at the expense of normal sexual desires, rather than operating in concert with them. 

That's not a good comparison. It's more like that the additional exciting stuff, like say, weight gain, or BDSM or whatever, allows more fantasies and excitement than watching just women of whatever shape the person finds appealing.

  But I'm not even sure how something like "excitement" would even be measured

There's a machine for that, called 'penile plethysmograph".

Of course, various naive tools like the one to  whom I unwisely replied are likely to consider the device 'unethical'  because... I don't know why, but they do.

As for polling the community, have you tried using something like the Forms in Google Drive?

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That's not a good comparison. It's more like that the additional exciting stuff, like say, weight gain, or BDSM or whatever, allows more fantasies and excitement than watching just women of whatever shape the person finds appealing.

Still not buying it.  For people who like "normal" porn, there's just as much to fantasize about.

I'll concede that, for those who find normal porn appealing on its own, the addition of some other element they like is going to make it a bit more appealing.  But the same could be said of a real-life sexual encounter that features the same "content."  Assuming you like sex -- and assuming you don't have performance anxiety or some other reason to abstain from sex with a partner -- sex should be more appealing than masturbation.  If you also like bondage, getting to tie a girl up in real life is going to be lot more exciting than watching a fetish video.  So I don't see the addition of fetish-content being the factor that makes porn/masturbation addictive.

Porn addiction seems to stem from the scenario in which one finds masturbation MORE appealing than sex with an RL partner.  If you rule out performance anxiety, or your partner's [lack of] experience/skill, the sex should be better.  But if have a fetish that can't be realized with a real-life partner (like vore), or is highly unlikely to be realized (like inflation), you have a situation in which porn naturally trumps sex.  From there, it's easy to see how one could have issues with erectile dysfunction with real partners, but be fine when going solo. 

There's a machine for that, called 'penile plethysmograph".

Of course, various naive tools like the one to  whom I unwisely replied are likely to consider the device 'unethical'  because... I don't know why, but they do.

Never heard of it, but at best, something like that would give an incomplete picture of what we call "sexual arousal."

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Ah but what of virgins? Surely they masturbate often. Any studies into virgins of older ages, their masturbation and how that might impact their sex lives?

Fun fact: "But what of virgins?" is a sentence that attractive women have unfortunately never spoken. As far as scientists and psychologists go, hopefully they're on it.

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Fun fact: "But what of virgins?" is a sentence that attractive women have unfortunately never spoken. As far as scientists and psychologists go, hopefully they're on it.

You know nothing, Postclicker.

Just like there are men who for some unfathomable reason prefer virgins, there are women who do likewise.

Also: it seems it's getting to be  more common..

Yeah I have had a talk w/ my urologist about this bc I was being tested for lowish testosterone.  He mentioned that more and more young men were coming in talking about having ED and that he estimated that over the past year about 50% of his patients for ED were probably younger than 35.  So either we are just having huge effects from increasing toxins that are in our world that affect men (which may play a part and is possible) or (more likely) this porn stuff is REALLY screwing with us.  He also mentioned that although a lot of these patients have lower than normal T levels, they aren't low enough that they should be seriously complaining about ED.
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Probably worthwhile to post an update to this old thread instead of making a new one.

A team of researchers write a review papers on pornography and addiction.


Choice quotes:
 

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For example, there are clear differences in brain activity between patients who have compulsive sexual behavior and controls, which mirror those of drug addicts. When exposed to sexual images, hypersexual subjects have shown differences between liking (in line with controls) and wanting (sexual desire), which was greater [8,100]. In other words, in these subjects there is more desire only for the specific sexual cue, but not generalized sexual desire. This points us to the sexual cue itself being then perceived as a reward [46].


 

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In regard to the manifestations of these alterations in sexual behavior, most neuropsychological studies show some kind of indirect or direct consequence in executive function [126,127], possibly as a consequence of prefrontal cortex alterations [128]. When applied to online pornography, it contributes to its development and maintenance [129,130].

The specifics of this poorer executive functioning include: impulsivity [131,132], cognitive rigidity that impedes learning processes or the ability to shift attention [120,133,134], poor judgment and decision making [130,135], interference of working memory capacity [130], deficits in emotion regulation, and excessive preoccupation with sex [136]. These findings are reminiscent of other behavioral addictions (such as pathological gambling) and the behavior in substance dependencies [137]. Some studies directly contradict these findings [58], but there may be some limitations in methodology (for example, small sample size).



And a related article:

https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim


The 80-20 claim is untrue; it's not true that 20% of young men have 80% of sex,  they account for a mere 60% of it.

Even Jeff Bezos' blog has written about the rise in the rate of <30 men who report no sex in the past year. It's now 28% in the US.

Porn is probably to blame, after all, getting an orgasm from pornhub is vastly easier than doing the same for tinder. 

Inequality in online dating, partly due to biology and partly due to the platform itself is staggering: for women, online dating is as unequal as the average Western European economy, for men, it's like living in South Africa, world's 8th most economically unequal country.

No surprises. And no hope either. 
 

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I read through this entire thread, and I have to say, I don't understand...either that or I must be a nymphomaniac. I am in my late 30s, get morning wood daily, masturbate multiple times a day, and have sex at least once a week.

I've never had problems keeping it up unless I'm in pain from something, or sick. And even in that instance, 3-5 minutes later I'm up again, ready for round 2.

Based on conversations with my biological father, this isn't likely to change, as he and his partner are in their 60s and still have fun frequently. 

So, my question is, what the hell are all these guys doing to themselves that so damages their penis that is makes them impotent? I mean, trying to rip your cock off every time is not the point here fellas...

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do not know about impotence but porn definitely messes up with your pennis because you keep seeing this wonderfully looking young ladies, doing whatever you want, eating, gaining, showing of their curves and the senses react, then, you have your wife, angry about something you cannot for figure out and well, you can guess the rest

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:50 PM, extra_m13 said:

do not know about impotence but porn definitely messes up with your pennis because you keep seeing this wonderfully looking young ladies, doing whatever you want, eating, gaining, showing of their curves and the senses react, then, you have your wife, angry about something you cannot for figure out and well, you can guess the rest

Now we're blaming masturbation for our wives' moods? Sheesh

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I wouldn't be surprised if it could cause impotence. When I was a teenager I probably self-adminstered almost every, on rare occassions up to three times in a single day. My brother was even worse. We were like animals in all you can eat 24/7, erections like obnoxious graffiti on alley walls. When I became an adult I slowed down to once every few days. When I reached my 30's I did it maybe once every week. Over two years ago I stopped completely  because I felt like it was ruining my chances of ever having a real relationship. That's where I am today.

So ya fapless. No interest in going back. Music is my high. I do think about it occassionaly, but it's tamed. A pet.

Something else crosses my mind and maybe I should put it here. At some point I started fapping to arab belly dancers. During this stage I started to realize real average woman are good looking and sexy. I  started thinking everday average woman look pretty good....

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6 hours ago, bluetech said:

Not sure what some dude practicing the pull out method so that he doesn't impregnate someone who isn't his own wife has to do with masturbation...

Uh he jizzed on the floor because he didn’t want to father children he was SPECIFICALLY instructed to do. “Spilt Seed” even tho not considered seed by “science” reference to inordinate placements of jizz. Floor is a No No, it belongs in your wife, on the marriage bed. 

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