sbu Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 According to the polling company Yougov the latest survey regarding to Scottish independence (conducted for The Sunday Times) with less than two weeks to go until voting day, has YES at 51% and NO at 49%. I wonder how likely it is, that Scotland becomes independent, since I have no further insight. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Professor Aronnax Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 With Scotland a part of Great Britain, England has lost all the fun of crushing the Scotts for 300 years. When Scotland becomes an independent country, the English will finally be able to rebuild Hadrian's wall and then crush the Scotts good. Three cheers for Prince William, the future "Hammer of the Scotts!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 So? It happens, it happens. This is not one of the independance craving that is problematic: if it happens it'll be recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirsch von Bork Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I wonder why such a big change in a month. England must be doing somethig wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemnite Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 If I understood well, Scotland would stay in the Commonwealth, in the European Union and won't change its currency to euros or a national one. So it's an independence de facto, so Scots would be richer and proud of their identity, but not de jure. Scotland would stay éven less independent than say, Australia and Canada. "Vive le Québec libre!" Said De Gaulle, and so few have changed politically speaking for our remote cousins by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Now, as polls predict a very close vote in the upcoming referendum on Scottish independence, UK Chancellor George Osborne says that the government is finalizing plans to give Scotland "much greater" fiscal and tax autonomy, and will unveil the proposals in the coming days. ;D Who knows, maybe 300 years of humiliation are finally enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 If I were speaking out of pure self-interest, I'd implore people to vote no. But vote yes. And please let me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 If I understood well, Scotland would stay in the Commonwealth, in the European Union and won't change its currency to euros or a national one. So it's an independence de facto, so Scots would be richer and proud of their identity, but not de jure. Scotland would stay éven less independent than say, Australia and Canada. "Vive le Québec libre!" Said De Gaulle, and so few have changed politically speaking for our remote cousins by the way. Québec was close in 1995, 50,58 % said No, 49,42 % said Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Now, as polls predict a very close vote in the upcoming referendum on Scottish independence, UK Chancellor George Osborne says that the government is finalizing plans to give Scotland "much greater" fiscal and tax autonomy, and will unveil the proposals in the coming days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 What is "devolution"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 What is "devolution"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilan Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 What is "devolution"? https://www.gov.uk/devolution-of-powers-to-scotland-wales-and-northern-ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 What is "devolution"? Scotland and Wales already have "devolved" governments. It just means that the money from each country still goes to London but then London give x million pounds back to Scotland and Wales for them to spend on like they see fit. Like giving a child pocket money and then telling them to spend it only on stuff they NEED. Edit: I'm sure you'll agree that was a terrible explanation. Some more basics. Edinburgh is where the Scottish parliament buildings are and they prime minister there isn't allowed to be called primes minister. He is only allowed the title "first minister" Also, I'm from Scotland and I'll be voting next week. If anyone wants to ask any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Scotland and Wales already have "devolved" governments. It just means that the money from each country still goes to London but then London give x million pounds back to Scotland and Wales for them to spend on like they see fit. Like giving a child pocket money and then telling them to spend it only on stuff they NEED. Edit: I'm sure you'll agree that was a terrible explanation. Some more basics. Edinburgh is where the Scottish parliament buildings are and they prime minister there isn't allowed to be called primes minister. He is only allowed the title "first minister" Also, I'm from Scotland and I'll be voting next week. If anyone wants to ask any questions, I'm happy to answer them. For some reason I was reminded of this: Secret oil finds dossier released. ;D Maybe I've still the chants of the game Germany vs. Scotland from yesterday on my mind: "We Hate England More Than You". ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 For some reason I was reminded of this: Secret oil finds dossier released. ;D Maybe I've still the chants of the game Germany vs. Scotland from yesterday on my mind: "We Hate England More Than You". ;-) I don't hate the English, one bit. I have a strong dislike for the rich elite controlling the lives of the many. As of today, those elite just so happen to be in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilan Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I don't hate the English, one bit. I have a strong dislike for the rich elite controlling the lives of the many. As of today, those elite just so happen to be in England. How many countries can you name where the lives of the many are not controlled by the rich elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 I don't hate the English, one bit. I have a strong dislike for the rich elite controlling the lives of the many. As of today, those elite just so happen to be in England. This is exactly the point; it's not the English, it's the upper-class. It's the ones, who gamble on food prices. I still wonder why the "common English man (and woman)" doesn't protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 How many countries can you name where the lives of the many are not controlled by the rich elite? Is Finland controlled by the rich elite, Wilan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemnite Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 @ Wilan: According to official statistics, yours. Well, at least, you live in the country where the gap between rich and poor is the narrowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 How many countries can you name where the lives of the many are not controlled by the rich elite? I'll admit that it is the same almost everywhere. But there is little democracy in Scotland because there are as many people in Scotland as in London! More in London, in fact. So our vote doesn't count for much in a general election. It's not about rich and poor. It's about fairness. We have one of the greatest healthcare systems in the world and it is being sold off because 47 members of parliament have shares in private healthcare companies. And then they lie and say "it's too expensive. It's too inefficient" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution Oh nice, thanks. Interesting, didn't know the term, or even the existence of such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiminy Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The most exciting thing is that politics has finally become exciting in the UK! I think you could look at it as an opportunity for Scotland to secure their place in Europe and disassociate themselives from what is a fairly toxic brand - i.e. The UK. The UK will be haivng a vote next year on whether or not it should be part of the EU, in all likelihood the public will vote us out due to the almost constant negative press from the right wing papers in the UK (Express, Mail, Telegraph, etc). An independent Scotland could ensure it stays part of the EU. I hope Scotland becomes independent. Smaller countries are more efficient and more democratic. Scots could start to look after it's citizens rather than pandering to the richest sections of society as is currently the case in the UK. They could even use their oil money to set up something amazing like the Norweigan public oil fund (eveyone is Norway is effectively a millionnaire due to the government saving a proportion of their oil revenues - everyone who lives in an oil producing country should be outraged at their gvt for not doing the same thing). http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The UK will be haivng a vote next year on whether or not it should be part of the EU, You mean getting out of it totally altogether? If it's true it'd be the best news of that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbu Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 You mean getting out of it totally altogether? If it's true it'd be the best news of that year. I agree. No more British influence on finance market regulations means more stability for the European economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlic Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I agree. No more British influence on finance market regulations means more stability for the European economy. I am Scottish/British and I'm ashamed to say I agree 100% with the above statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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